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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
This map is about countries not doing something. That's trivial in itself. But furthermore, it's not to say these countries wouldn't recognize it if such an opportunity or proposal is brought forth. There's no deliberate or active policy of non-recognition with most of these countries besides Azerbaijan and Turkey. This map was created to be displayed on the Armenian Genocide denial page to show that the most of the world "denies" the genocide when it's simply not true, as non-recognition (whether that be deliberate or unintentional) does not necessarily mean denial. EtienneDolet (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Just as the map that displays the countries that recognise the events during the First World War as a genocide. An example:
- The Netherlands where I live for example, never recognised the events as a genocide. The parliament merely adopted a motion in 2004, stating the Netherlands should during Turkey's EU accession talks push for Turkey to resolve the discussion around the Armenian Genocide. The motion even clearly says acknowledgement is not a requirement for Turkey to enter the EU. This motion was taken in 2004. After the elections in 2006, the soon-to-be Deputy Prime Minister of the Netherlands Wouter Bos stated that the events are not a genocide. That makes the Netherlands denialists as well.
- Yet on the map the Netherlands is displayed as a country that recognises the genocide. No government of the Netherlands ever did so.
- Another example, Australia released a statement stating EXPLICITLY that Australia does not view the events as a genocide.
- Regarding your statement "There's no deliberate or active policy of non-recognition with most of these countries besides Azerbaijan and Turkey." Anno 2014 there is also no active policy of recognition in the countries that acknowledge the events as a genocide. As a matter of fact, it is known that currently in the entire EU only 2 countries consider it a requirement for Turkey to join the EU: Greece and Cyprus. Which has more to do with the Cyprus dispute than the events of 1915 itself.
- If your argument is that people can freely build memorials etc in those countries and in Turkey and Azerbaijan they can not. That is true, but in those countries people can freely call it a result of war instead of a genocide as well.
- This map is built on the same merits as the other map, just flipped. To avoid the reader being influenced by a bias I believe this map should remain and both should be displayed. Does objectivity and reducing the influence of bias bother you?
- The map, as I have said, does not necessarily mean that all these countries actively pursue a non-recognition/denialist policy. We're going to need sources that attest to the fact that Burundi, for example, pursues a non-recognition/denialist policy towards the Armenian Genocide. As of this point, this map does not represent the official policy of any of these countries, but instead is filled with your personal interpretation of what non-recognition/denialist policies of such countries should be imagined to be. So you'd need to find sources for each and every country highlighted in red that you believe pursues a policy of non-recognition/denial. Until then, this map is highly misleading and should be therefore deleted. Also, just because two countries in the EU make it a requirement for Turkey to accept the Armenian Genocide in order to be a member doesn't discredit the notion that most EU counties have already accepted the Armenian Genocide as fact. The 21 December 2004 unanimous decision by the Dutch parliament demonstratively shows that the government of the Netherlands affirms that what happened in 1915 was a genocide, regardless of whether they make its acceptance for Turkey a precondition for its EU accession. A statement by a deputy prime minister, or even Mark Rutte for that matter, can't change that. EtienneDolet (talk) 09:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: There is a need for source data to support the map. Otherwise it's a map with red splotches and no educational utility, out of scope. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
