Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lascaux2.jpg

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File:Lascaux2.jpg

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Drawing is PD, the photo is not. FunkMonk (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is the contention that a wall painting is a 3D work of art, then? That this article fails {{PD-art}}? Just wanted to clarify. Jarry1250 (talk) 17:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, the wall itself is 3D, not the painting. FunkMonk (talk) 17:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep {{Pd-art}} says, faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain, and that claims to the contrary represent an assault on the very concept of a public domain. If the painting (the main focus of the photograph) is PD, then "[t]his photographic reproduction is therefore also considered to be in the public domain". ←fetchcomms 19:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The non-painted part could also be digitally removed. FunkMonk (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, if you want to (I don't have the technical ability to). But we wouldn't delete PD-art paintings just because the canvas wasn't completely painted, would we? ←fetchcomms 21:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If there is any problem then I guess it's not the non-painted part of the cave wall but the fact that the cave wall is not completely flat. But I think that just falls under the usual difficulties with reproducing old paintings. They are generally not completely flat, it may be hard to get rid of reflections, etc., and it is intentional that these difficulties don't give someone copyright. The situation here is analogous. It may be technically hard to reproduce this painting, but it's not art, at least not in the "sweat of the brow" sense or any similar sense. Hans Adler (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yet there are other details, such as cracks and colour gradients, which is unrelated to whether the wall is flat or not. FunkMonk (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You feel that someone owns the copyright over natural rock formations?! 94.101.164.1 15:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Someone owns the copyright for a photograph of such formations, that's obvious. FunkMonk (talk) 23:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily if the rock formations are only incidental to a photo of 2D art. Per COM:SCOPE#Must be freely licensed or public domain we must check that there are no problems under either US or French copyright laws. The legal situation in France isn't entirely clear, but there was a verdict in 2005 saying photographies of PD paintings do not have copyright if they lack originality. The situation seems to be a bit complicated, but I guess this photo could pass as lacking originality. Any skill needed to prepare it would be for the technical aspects of representing something that was clearly meant to be plane in a really plane photograph, even though the original surface is crumpled. That's on the same level as details of lighting etc., rather than (artistic) originality. I believe according to US law the situation is pretty clear (in that the photo is free) anyway. Hans Adler (talk) 09:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Essentially 2-D, nothing original here besides the old painting. As far as I understand, this means it is not protected by copyright in either France or the US. --Avenue (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Corel vs Bridgeman does not actually distinguish between 2d and 3d, but speaks of paintings, which this certainly is. The 2D/3D is for our convenience, but should not get in the way when a work is clearly covered by Bridgeman.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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