Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kaserne am Spitzberg.jpg
requested by uploader L' empereur Charles (talk) 10:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- No deletion needed, file is in public domain because of its age (1896!) --Schängel (talk) 14:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- doesn't matter, because the deletion request is not any permission problem, but the request of the uploader! (kannst ja wieder den jergen zu Hilfe rufen) -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Files under public domain can´t be deleted. User is demanding deletion for his photos with his multible accounts at commons. That's a violation of rules. --Schängel (talk) 08:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
That's really true and legal! To have more than one account is also legal! Ja Mann, diesmal so ganz ohne jergen? -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 08:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
The copyright of the photo is with the Rhenania Buchhandlung Koblenz of 1978. Sowith the photo is not under public domain because there is no permit of the copyrightholder. It doesn't matter if the photo is from 1896 -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 08:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Rhenania Buchhandlung Koblenz is not holder of copyright. --Schängel (talk) 10:12, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Page 3 of the book Die “Festung Koblenz” by Rüdiger Wischemann wherefrom the photo was scanned says clearly “copyright 1978 by Rhenania Buchhandlung Koblenz” what do you think what does that means? , du kluges Kerlchen -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 12:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Rhenania Buchhandlung Koblenz can´t have the copyright of a photo made in 1896, that´s not possible by european law. The law is very clear, the copyright ends 70 years after death of the photographer. Noone else can hold the copyright after that. --Schängel (talk) 13:10, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Really nothing is very clear! Because you Mister, know certainly that the photoghrapher is dead since more than 70 years? If the photographer in 1896 was, as an example, 26 years old and he died with 95 so we have the year 1965! Seems to be that we would miss a little bit until 70 years Mister -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- According to the rules of commons, if the death-date of the photographer is unknown, all photos older than 100 years can be uploaded. --Schängel (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Ah this way now, what's about The law is very clear, the copyright ends 70 years after death of the photographer. not so long ago? Spruddeler -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wenn man nicht mehr weiterkommt, dann eben Beleidigungen. Nur weiter so. --Schängel (talk) 15:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Natürlich, mit den Beleidigtsein hast Du es ja - und wenn man mit aller Gewalt durch die Wand will versucht man schon mal eben die Leute zu verarschen - aber das kennt man ja. Bleibt noch die Frage, wer hier nicht mehr weiterkommt. Das mit den 100 Jahren gilt nur auf der de:wp hier aber nicht denn: PD-old – für Werke, deren Urheberrecht erloschen ist. Das gilt für die USA, die EU, und Staaten, in denen ein Urheberrechtsschutz 70 Jahre nach dem Tod des Urhebers erlischt. Es sollte in jedem Fall eine der Vorlagen PD-old-70, PD-old-75, PD-old-80, PD-old-100, bei denen angegeben wird, wie lange der Urheber bereits verstorben ist, verwendet werden. Noch Fragen? Oder womöglich ein neues Getrickse? -- L' empereur Charles (talk) 15:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wenn werden Schadenersatzforderungen an dich gestellt, da du das Foto ja hochgeladen hast. Aber ich würde wenn einfach den richtigen Baustein wählen. --Schängel (talk) 15:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Author of photo is unknown but probably Otto Kilger (1842-1914), royal photographer, who made mostly all photos of Koblenz in that time period. No evidence that autor is NOT dead 70 years or longer. Photo is from the city archiv of Koblenz, all photos of this time period are in public domain. Commons allows the upload of photos from 100 years ago or older with unknown author. --Schängel (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Kept: for the time being. On the basis of the discussion I conclude that the creator is unknown, and the file was published in 1896. In this case, it is in public domain. Then it does not make sense to delete the file, since everyone can reupload it again. If some information on the uploader is found, the deletion can be reconsidered. Ymblanter (talk) 20:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
