Commons:Deletion requests/File:Julius Schreck Zigarettenbild.jpg
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En.wiki upload indicated the author is probably Heinrich Hoffman. Unfree in Germany until 2028. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- The copyright is explicitly owned by Cigaretten-Bilderdienst; see here. Whatever copyright Hoffman might have had, he gave it to the Cigaretten-Bilderdienst. The entire work is available for free online. And to clarify, this means that because it's an institutional author, the clock starts ticking from the year of publication, not the year of author's death, so it has been in public domain in Germany since 2006. --Vuo (talk) 07:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Most countries tick the clock from the natural death date of the author, even if the copyright is transferred. My educated guess is that Germany is the same. For example, the Bavarian state government held the copyright for Mein Kampf, which just expired in 2016 since Hitler died in 1945. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:24, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- I have no idea how you can read it that way, that's 100% speculation. More importantly, § 66 UrhG directly contradicts this; this is an anonymous work as well for which copyright would expire 70 years after publication nevertheless. --Vuo (talk) 20:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- No, it's not an anonymous work, and no it doesn't contradict that section. Stop being obtuse. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
- It's not being obtuse if the only arguments are "maybe" or "could be". Nevertheless, this passes the buck to Cigaretten-Bilderdienst Altona-Bahrenfeld. What's the status of this company? Hoffmann material with copyright that ended up in the hands of the German government was released in 800 px by the Bundesarchiv, but this is not a Bundesarchiv photo - so what happened to Cigaretten-Bilderdienst? I think this is the question. --Vuo (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- No, it's not an anonymous work, and no it doesn't contradict that section. Stop being obtuse. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
- I have no idea how you can read it that way, that's 100% speculation. More importantly, § 66 UrhG directly contradicts this; this is an anonymous work as well for which copyright would expire 70 years after publication nevertheless. --Vuo (talk) 20:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- Most countries tick the clock from the natural death date of the author, even if the copyright is transferred. My educated guess is that Germany is the same. For example, the Bavarian state government held the copyright for Mein Kampf, which just expired in 2016 since Hitler died in 1945. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:24, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: the author, Heinrich Hoffman, is not anonymous; the image is not in the public domain. --K.e.coffman (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Natuur12 (talk) 14:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
