Commons:Deletion requests/File:Joe Biden at Age 10.jpg
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This image was obtained from Joe Biden's official Senate website, but it was not produced by a member of the United States Government acting in their official capacity. DS (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Delete Everyone is wrong in PD part.
- @Infrogmation, Biden would have been 10 in 1952 have no standing in this case. As in this case the publication date matters and it is unlikely that it is publicly published in 1952 SYSS Mouse (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- I concede that original rights in 1952 would have been more likely to be held by Joe Biden's parents; if they didn't explicitly give rights to their son during their lives, they are deceased so he would have inherited the rights. Again, I see no plausible reason to doubt the status of the photo. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Infrogmation, Biden would have been 10 in 1952 have no standing in this case. As in this case the publication date matters and it is unlikely that it is publicly published in 1952 SYSS Mouse (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep Likely a family photo. Presumably Biden granted use to his Senate website. Biden would have been 10 in 1952; presumably PD by now per US law. No marking or credit for photo on website. While I agree the original photo was unlikely to have been a US Gov't work, I don't see it plausible that it's any copyright problem. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)- Keep The definition of a "work of the US federal government" is pretty loose when it comes to family photos of US federal politicians. For the Clinton photos below, I contacted the William J. Clinton Presidential Library. They said the photos should be considered as US federal government works. Therefore, they said they are in the worldwide public domain. This is despite the fact that they are obviously not created by a federal employee. In fact, the photographers are unknown according to the Library. This rule not only applies to candid family photos, but also professional studio photos, which I have yet to upload. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that the same rule applies to the Biden photo. FunnyMath (talk)
- Keep The photo is likely in public domain, and I also think there will be no problems if it remains in our library. Felix558 (talk) 00:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Although I'm willing to accept Infrogmation and FunnyMath's arguments, "likely in public domain" and "think there will be no problem" really aren't valid justifications. DS (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I believe our default assumption is that all images on US Federal Gov't webpages are PD-US unless they are credited to a third party source -or- we have some specific reason to think a particular image was unfree and mistakenly put on the website without attribution. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Although I'm willing to accept Infrogmation and FunnyMath's arguments, "likely in public domain" and "think there will be no problem" really aren't valid justifications. DS (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Per above. Thanoscar21talkcontributions 15:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep According to nytimes.com this is a family photo (they credit it to "Biden family"), which has evidently been donated to the US Government and/or released to the Public Domain. nagualdesign 12:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination - There is no reason to believe this is PD. Simply putting an image on a government web site has no effect on the copyright. The status of a copyright can be changed only by the operation of law (usually age) or by a written instrument explicitly granting a free license or putting the work in the PD. . Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
