Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jarosh otakar.jpg
No indication of pre-1946 publication required for PD status in Ukraine and US as claimed by licence and required by Commons PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- @PlanespotterA320: I have found this photograph in a Czechoslovak newspaper publishe in March 1946 with no attribution but I suppose that we still need PD USA per URAA so PD-anon-70-CZ isn't enough? It's pretty likely that there exists a publication dating before the January 1st 1946 cut-off date, now just to find it... :)--TFerenczy (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- That information is useful for calculating future undeletion date, but as far as we know, it is still not public domain in the US and hence can't be on Commons.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:35, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I have found an earlier publication of the original picture (as Jarosh otakar.jpg seems to be retouched beyond just removing the background): "Sokolovo – sborník reportáží o bojovém vystoupení I. čs. samostatného polního praporu v SSSR na sovětsko-německé frontě v roce 1943" was released in Czechoslovakia in 1945. The book isn't in public domain (one of the authors died in 1986) itself, but the photographs in it are attributed to Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union. A scan is available at moderni-dejiny.cz, but not under an eligible license ("For education purposes only") and I believe that is legitimate and we can't have it on Commons according to the link in Commons:When to use the PD-scan tag. But trying to figure it out gives me a headache because IANAL.--TFerenczy (talk) 10:35, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- 1945 publication looks good to me. The death date of the author of the book doesn't matter, because they just wrote the text captions (not making the photos), while the photographer of the photo itself remains unknown, and it seems to be published early enough. While the state of the scan of the book is inclear, I found the original of the photo that was published (complete with the background), and uploaded it. Seems like everything is good now.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Crap. Forgot about URAA thing. It was not 70 years old in 1996, so it isn't PD in US right now. It can be undeleted 95 years after it was published, ie, in 2041 - unless we have info about an earlier publication in a country that had a term of 50 years or less when they signed the URAA in 1996 (like Russia).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- I see, I see. June 1943 in the UK is the same deal, right, since PD-UK-unknown is also 70 years and just nudges undelete by 2 years. Sadly, I can't produce anything better with Czech digitised public sources.--TFerenczy (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Crap. Forgot about URAA thing. It was not 70 years old in 1996, so it isn't PD in US right now. It can be undeleted 95 years after it was published, ie, in 2041 - unless we have info about an earlier publication in a country that had a term of 50 years or less when they signed the URAA in 1996 (like Russia).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Deleted: per discussion. --ƏXPLICIT 00:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
