Commons:Deletion requests/File:Holy Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire (mid-13th century).png

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File:Holy Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire (mid-13th century).png

Completely unnecessary and inaccurate map, as mentioned countless times, the Republic of Venice and the Papal States were sovereign states at the time (just do a simple search and anyone will know this information). 11111a4a4a4a4a4 (talk) 14:34, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I asked for the removal of the map because it doesn't make any sense. This map has as title: "Holy Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire (mid-13th century)". However the map is mostly focused in the Italian states than in the states that were actually part of one of this two Empires. In particular the Venetian Republic and the Papal States which as previously mentioned were both sovereigns in the 13th century. So the reason for the existence of this map is a little confusing for anyone looking to see it. 11111a4a4a4a4a4 (talk) 14:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

In addition to this, this map was created/edited by someone who was permanently banned from wikipedia for vandalizing wikipedia articles... so, well, i think i explained very well the reasons for delete this innacurate map. 11111a4a4a4a4a4 (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

All available sources prove me right yet you keep on stating the opposite. Two examples I am providing: first image is about european empires just before the first Crusade I believe, disclaiming in the description year "AD 1000", while second image is about european empires just before the fourth Crusade, the major Crusade war of all, disclaiming in the description year "1190". Both of them show the Papal States part of the HRE.

Now. It's confusing and laughable, but who's fault and who's wrong? Follow me on this if you wish. First thing, 11111a4a4a4a4a4 is somewhat of a sockpuppet of Yakme. Second thing, this deletion request is specifically due to my edits at wikipedia first in early June occasionally and under various IP addresses only, then from early November logged in under the account I registered. My edits were at Milan since June, then at Western world by the end of October.

I am user GreekMillionaire banned three weeks ago as a sockpuppet of ItalianConquest, close Italian friend of mine met abroad (she kinda pushed me to edit Milan I must say, she's more experienced at editing wikipedia as she was an editor in the last years both at the Italian and English Wikipedia). By the end of October my editing at Milan evolved into edit war, while at the same time: 1) my friend began editing on the invention of italian espresso (until then I was the only one into controversial editing) and 2) I began editing Western world. Still without registering an account we were noticing edits growing against my IP edits in the last week of October at Milan, and that the most involved user being Yakme was an established user (by the way looking at her history ***she*** seems from Milan). So, on 4 November my friend decided to register user ItalianConquest for herself and edit under such a username!?! Oh well. What happened on that day and the following is that Yakme decided to get into reverting me at Milan much more, while the following day again a new user got into editing Milan (Campagnapersalvare). Thought something weird was picking up so I registered an account too, GreekMillionaire, and knowing Yakme was all about editing italian political affairs and had an eye on my friend's specific editing on the invention of italian espresso nevertheless, I kept editing Milan and got myself into Western world too from which this delete request by 11111a4a4a4a4a4, is from. Yakme was clearly very involved in editing about italian politics and it's no secret, specifically.

A couple of weeks later, by the end of November while checking all involved editors' contributions and browsing habits by looking at their meta "auto-account creation", we noticed new user Amascui 96333 had visited pt.wikipedia on the 16th, exactly as user Jerkusla had on the 12th, so someone was possibly using both these suspicious accounts, at least... Thought "we're absolutely right" about something weird picking up before and others registering more accounts, or grouping in a collaborative effort, to actively have a fake consensus, which is really antisocial.. Not only that, as far as I can recall, in that same week of November Yakme had edited about Genoa as Jerkusla did, probably on the same day as Jerkusla, maybe even uploaded a file about the city of Genoa, possibly a version of the same file Jerkusla did add on the 12th. But now those edits are nowhere to be found as it was the case up to the early days of December. Only Jerkusla seems to have edited about the city of Genoa. I seriously think some higher user must have changed the history of edits. Don't know who.. someone like a steward, I know User:Vituzzu is an active italian steward. I don't really know. Anyway.. so we mostly thought of giving up on editing, which is what happened more or less, also because admins began blocking pages from being edited, and since we were both banned. However.. user 11111a4a4a4a4a4 (?) still keeps on this argument with me about this map being wrong, and for the wrong reasons (?). ByzantineBlue (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Following through with this incredible happening I edited Milan's talk page last night, but since we (me and my friend) are being cast off with repeating reverts by the same group of established users working with User:Yakme and banned one IP after the other, I have reached my limit (and living on a boat we are certainly not going to sail the Mediterranean and buy new SIMs from different operators, only to be able to edit Wikipedia.. obviously we won't). [?]

Five days ago I uploaded a preferable version to replace the one being deleted. Also I have been editing Western world's talk page where this file was linked, and just as at the page of Milan, discussion is all discarded by this group of grown up established users and admins.

I hoped some higher "admin operator" could examine the situation but clearly you seem unwilling to. My Italian friend always says it happens all the time since Obama's election and even more since the 2016 Brexit vote, and administration noticeboards being full of similar situations are evidence of a wikipedia failure she realised while living between Italy and Switzerland before visiting the UK a couple of weeks before the pandemic outbreak. She's serious, and both of us understand admins themselves portraying falsehood and deceit is very questionable. Wrong, right? Or not? It's phenomenal, ok! It's remarkable also that our IPs and accounts are rather only banned from Wikipedia but we have no problems logging into this banned account here. ByzantineBlue (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Kept: Procedural keep due to possible socking, and the overall weirdness presented in this AfD. If one wishes to renominate this file, they are able to do so. Keep it drama free, present linked evidence, and keep calm and carry on. --Missvain (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)