Commons:Deletion requests/File:Habib ahmad jans bin muhammad sobri bin muhammad assegaf.jpg

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File:Habib ahmad jans bin muhammad sobri bin muhammad assegaf.jpg

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This file was initially tagged by Uhai as Speedy (SD) and the most recent rationale was: F10. File is currently used on Indonesian Wikibooks, so it may be COM:INUSE if that book is in-scope on the sister project. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 16:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete The Wikibooks page it's used on is spam created by the image uploader and is similar to the now-deleted spam user page of the uploader. Uhai (talk) 20:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

:* Keep I don't think we have the right under Commons policy to rule on why an image is COM:INUSE or whether we approve of that. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also requesting deletion of files uploaded by sockpuppet accounts of this user, ASEQWD and Ahmad asegaf:
* File:Ahmadbarok.jpg
* File:Ahmadsegaf.jpg
* File:Barokasegaf.jpg
* File:Mubarokwibowo.jpg
* File:Mubarokmeliano.jpg
* File:Janesbakoy.jpg
* File:Habib muhammad sobri assegaf.jpg
* File:Habib ahmad bin abdillah assegaf.png
* File:Habib ahmad jans assegaf.jpg
* File:Habib ahmad jans bin muhammad sobri assegaf.jpg
* File:Ahmad jans assegaf.jpg
* File:Habib ahmad jans assegaf 1.jpg
* File:Al-Habib ahmad jans assegaf.jpg
* File:Ahmad jans bin muhammad sobri assegaf.jpg
All personal photos. Common instance of a spammer spamming on more obscure Wikimedia projects with few contributors and little to no moderation which also allows them to take advantage of COM:INUSE. The header of COM:EDUSE states that "[files] must be realistically useful for an educational purpose". These images fall under the first and fourth bullet points of COM:SPAM; therefore, COM:INUSE does not apply in this situation. None of these images have any educational value and this user does not, on any of their sockpuppets, seem to have any number of constructive contributions on any project, making them a non-contributor. Uhai (talk) 05:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look forward to hopefully reading the reasoning of the closing admin for keeping or deleting the files that are in use. I see you left out the sentences starting three sentences after the header of COM:EDUSE: "A media file that is in use on one of the other projects of the Wikimedia Foundation is considered automatically to be useful for an educational purpose, as is a file in use for some operational reason such as within a template or the like. Such a file is not liable to deletion simply because it may be of poor quality: if it is in use, that is enough." So no, EDUSE cannot be a countervailing guideline. I don't see how COM:SPAM can override COM:INUSE, either. Note what's not mentioned here: "Private image collections, e.g. private party photos, photos of yourself and your friends, your collection of holiday snaps and so on. There are plenty of other projects on the Internet you can use for such a purpose, such as Flickr. Such private image collections do not become educational even if displayed as a gallery on a user page on Commons or elsewhere." Right, not if they're displayed as a gallery. Nothing is mentioned about their being used in articles on Wikimedia sites, because that would make them automatically useful per COM:INUSE.
I don't think it's the job of Commons to remove spam that's in use on other projects. We have more than enough to do as it is. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The spam is on other projects but the images themselves are on Commons. Removal of images such as these is an application of common sense. COM:INUSE was not meant to apply to situations such as this and, like I said, is heavily abused regardless by spammers such as this individual. I don't see how this Instagram-filtered, low-quality selfie, beyond all policy citing and wikilawyering, has any argument for educational value when the stated goal of Commons is to host educational media:
File:Ahmad jans bin muhammad sobri assegaf.jpg
I don't understand why Commons users are so often averse to removing unequivocal garbage, especially considering how easily the user can re-upload the images (and probably will anyway, if the reviewing admin chooses to delete).
Regardless, if there's an argument to be made for how any of these files have educational value and cause to be retained, beyond "well COM:INUSE says we should keep it!!!", I'm all ears. That's what deletion discussions should really be about. See COM:SNOW. Uhai (talk) 06:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are other solutions to deal with spammers, such as blocks and userbans, and it's not up to Commons users to decide what should be used on other projects. If you want to appeal to SNOW, my response is that I don't want to spend time making decisions for other projects or encouraging people to use Commons in lieu of removing images from their projects. Get cross-wiki spammers banned across all projects, and maybe you can appeal to stewards to remove all the images from other projects. Once they're no longer in use, come back here and request deletion, or maybe there'd be a basis for speedy deletion tags at that point. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete the whole crap, LTA Category:Sockpuppets of Habib mubarok assegaf (34 accounts within one year). --Achim55 (talk) 10:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Info: Now all accounts are locked globally. --Achim55 (talk) 07:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, this file has been removed from everything but an absurd id.wikibooks.org page. Once that page is deleted, we can delete this file from Commons. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. —holly {chat} 20:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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