Commons:Deletion requests/File:HUP 10000B 1946 obverse.jpg
The copy of this file at en.wikipedia (originally uploaded in 2006; the hu.wikipedia copy was created in 2007) said that it was for non-commercial use only. That local file has now been deleted, but I can restore it if anyone needs to see the text. My impression of this is that the hu.wikipedia and commons version are both based on the en.wikipedia version because of the upload dates, so that would mean that this file has an unacceptable license. Drilnoth (talk) 15:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- If the license {{PD-HU-exempt}} covers this banknote everything is ok. Scanning does not provide authorship, see PD-scan. Of course the source and author needs adjustment: A better source and author might be the name of the issuing institution and/or accredited printing press. --Martin H. (talk) 16:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
IIRC banknotes do not get exemption. The issue is discussed in this opinion of the Expert Body on Copyright Council of Copyright Experts., but I don't have time to check it right now. Also, the president of WM-HU is currently talking with the Hungarian National Bank about this issue. --Tgr (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Of course I can not read the hungarian website. But per your first sentence I assume, that PD-HU-exempt does not cover the file, so the file do not have a proper license:
Delete. --Martin H. (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Neutral This is not as easy as it looks. First, it doesn't get exeption. Second, the author is - is most cases - known, and usually died around 1950, which means 2020 is the target date. But then, it's not impossible to request permission. But alas, we don't really know who owns the rights, because at those years it might not been the artists but the Ministry of Economy or similar. In its current form it looks like it requires permission from the author's heir. But this whole question about deletion may involve most of the money images on commons. And as a sidenote: it seems that most of the uploads of T.L. have improperly stated licence, to put it mildly. --grin ✎ 14:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I re-read the expert opinion, and it indeed clearly states that money remains copyrighted, even when it's still in circulation. The exemption only applies when it is part of an announcement or document issued by an offical organinsation (such as the image of the banknote appearing in the national journal of Hungary). You can find an English summary if the opinion here or here (the writer is the secretary of the Council); I didn't have time to read it, but it seems pretty detailed and probably mentions legal status of banknotes in other countries too. (The opinion of the Council itself mentions Germany and Austria as having essentially the same regulation as Hungary.)
I agree with grin, though, that most of the banknotes in Commons seem highly suspect (their reasoning goes along the line of "use of this image is limited by anticounterfeit laws, anticounterfeit is not copyright, so let's not think about its copyright status at all"), there is no point to single out this one.
For those who speak Hungarian: Wikimedia Hungary will attempt to identify the authors of Hungarian banknotes, and obtain proper permission. If interested, check here. --Tgr (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Deleted. Hungarian money is protected by copyrights. –Tryphon☂ 09:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
