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File:Guy.lebegue 1986.jpg

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Out of project scope. (BTW, I may be mistaken, but seem to remember that this file has already been deleted once before; Also note that OR+TRS tag was not added by OTRS volunteer but by file uploader). Randykitty (talk) 08:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Je ne suis qu'un simple utilisateur des COMMONS et pas un spécialiste. ne comprends pas bien cette histoire d'OTRS. Veuillez expliquer un peu mieux.--Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 08:41, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Emails to OTRS are supposed to be vetted and checked by dedicated volunteers. It is highly unusual that an uploader adds such a template themselves. See COMMONS:OTRS for a complete description (and given that you've gone through this system in the past, I'm surprised you're not more familiar with it). --Randykitty (talk) 08:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Je viens de relire en détail les règles OTRS que vous citez. Guy Lebègue n'est pas "Utilisateur" de Wikipédia. Il publie de nombreuses photos depuis plusieurs années, selon ces règles, via un Utilisateur inscrit (Kasos_fr) membre de la même association CASP, sous une licence OTRS dûment enregistrée et signalée dans la présente photo : Une autorisation pour utiliser ce fichier via la licence "(les) licence(s) ci-dessous a été vérifiée et archivée dans le système OTRS ; elle est disponible sous le numéro de ticket #2009122010013963" . Pourquoi y-a-t-il aujourd'hui un problème ? --Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 11:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The OTRS issue is secundary as it can perhaps be sorted out. (But it seems strange that this is marked as "own work" with Lebègue as author, even though this clearly is not a selfie). In any case, the main problem is that this is out of scope. --Randykitty (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
En 1986 on ne faisait pas de selfie. On prenait des photos avec un appareil argentique vissé sur un trépied et on lançait un retardateur de 10 secondes, le temps de se placer devant ! Et comme dit dans la légende, cette photo a été scannée dans les années 2000, pour créer un fichier numérique.--Cordialement, Kasos_Fr, (talk) 12:52, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
His last paragraph in French above explains the photo is a self-portrait. Ariadacapo (talk) 10:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's a self-portrait made by Guy Lebègue and uploaded on his behalf by Kasos fr. Nowhere is it stated that Kasos and Lebègue are one and the same person and unless Kasos would reveal their real-life identity (which they are not at all required to do in any case), we have to assume that they are different persons. "Il publie de nombreuses photos depuis plusieurs années, selon ces règles, via un Utilisateur inscrit (Kasos_fr)" is pretty clear about this (via!) --Randykitty (talk) 11:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK I lost interest now. Too much drama for a 300px selfie. Ariadacapo (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • AFAIAC neither GL nor I are experts on identity, we are not spies. The relation between the two (GL-Kasos) is open enough (he told us how he took this picture, remember?) and maybe the issue is he cannot know how to reach you. BTW the deletion spree is slowly turning into a harassment, IMHO of course. Please do not drag me into this or any other witch hunts. I gave my opinion already. --E4024 (talk) 08:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you read again what Kasos fr has written above, you'll see that they state that they upload photos on behalf of Guy Lebègue and also say that "Guy Lebègue n'est pas "Utilisateur" de Wikipédia". So Kasos fr and Lebègue are different persons. As for the "deletion spree", I'm not really sure what you mean. Look in my contribution history and you'll find that I propose many files that are promotional or otherwise irrelevant for deletion. This is just part of it. Please comment on the arguments, not the person. --Randykitty (talk) 08:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination - needs a licens from the actual photographer via OTRS. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Guy.lebegue 1986.jpg

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Non-notable person, articles deleted on fr and en WP. Out of project scope. Randykitty (talk) 08:14, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep It was deleted for some OTRS reason and now I see that OTRS template on the file. --E4024 (talk) 08:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • My nom has nothing to do with the presence or absence of OTRS permission. Fact is that this person is not notable and that this image is not used on any project. The nom is based on this being out of scope. Or is Commons now a collection of personal images? --Randykitty (talk) 08:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep OTRS permission received, photo of photographer who authored images used on several dozen WP articles. Needless drama over a selfie. Ariadacapo (talk) 08:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Ariadacapo, I decided to spare a witty sentence I was preparing. Let's all work to try to prevent Commons from converting into a collection of personal images; I can propose you categories where to find unnecessary personal files... --E4024 (talk) 08:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete - out of scope, see en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guy Lebègue and fr:Discussion:Guy_Lebègue/Suppression. The fact that OTRS has been sorted out in the meantime does not make the person notable. Jcb (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Comment. It is quite obvious this is a vanity upload. The guy and his friend authored/uploaded a bunch of useful files and want to have their 300 pixel picture on Commons. I am surprised how much energy is being dedicated to this single harmless verified upload while in the time it takes to write a sentence a whole bunch of dung has been uploaded that needs cleaning up already. Kasos_fr learned how WP-en, WP-fr, and Commons:L work the hard way. Please in the spirit of COM:SELFIE (one vanity pic for useful contributor) let them keep the file, and if not, next time don’t require them to follow an OTRS procedure only to launch a deletion request the minute they provide permission. Thank you. Ariadacapo (talk) 11:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you look above, you'll see that I previously nominated this for the exact same reason as now, namely for being out of scope. The remark about the OTRS status was only on the side. It got deleted because of the OTRS thing, but I don't think it is justified to say that I "required them to go through OTRS only to nominate it for deletion again". My previous concern (out of scope) has not been addressed so that I would nominate it again for the same reason was to be expected. Also, this photo has not just been uploaded for use on Commons only. The moment this photo was restored, it was added to the French WP because an article written by Guy Lebègue on CASPWiki, a site maintained by the association of which he is president, claims that he "invented" the name "Spacebus". Apparently the French wiki accepts this kind of sourcing so that this trivial tidbit stays in the article, but even there it was thought that adding a photo was a bit much. Add to this the bios that were created and both deleted after community discussions (linked to above by Jcb (and note that in the French discussion, Kasos claims to be Lebègue). --Randykitty (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: while it's true the image is unused and that the person does not have an article, the user is an active contributor since a long time and in several project. We can be a little tolerant. --Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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