Commons:Deletion requests/File:French stamps 1944.jpg
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Delete: This 1944 stamp cannot be in the public domain, until at least 2015, even if the designer died the same year. More details needed to determine when it will fall become PD. See Commons:Stamps/Public domain#France Ww2censor (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete The engraver is Charles Mazelin (1882-1964), but this design is a derivative work of a medal by André Lavrillier (1885-1958). Not in the PD before 2035. BrightRaven (talk) 12:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for that informative post. I've added his name to the French stamp listing linked above. Ww2censor (talk) 17:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Comment Hi. Thanks to this deletion request I have read the Commons:Stamps/Public domain page and been surprised to learn that in France the copyright of stamps is apparently kept by the designer. Does that mean that La Poste forgot or neglected to include a copyright provision in its contracts with all these authors!? Could you please point to any legal text that supports that interpretation? --Hispalois (talk) 07:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Here is an archived page of the official website of the French postal service (laposte.fr). Approximate translation: "as work of art, the stamp is submited to the right of intellectual property. If you publish your collection on line, you must digitalize the stamps, i.e. copy them; this cannot be done without the authorization of the authors and the Postal Service. [...] Each webmaster must contact directly the authors, engravers and designers, or their legal successors to get the authorizations of copy." BrightRaven (talk) 08:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- I recently provided that Archive link in the relevant page of Wikipedia in French (diff). That said, I have two issues with that source. First, it is no longer in the website of La Poste, which may mean that it no longer represents its official point of view. Second, it omits the fact that many old stamps are now in the public domain so no permission is needed at all to reproduce them, which makes me doubt that a rigorous legal study was done by La Poste when they wrote that page. --Hispalois (talk) 07:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I have found the new version of this document on a website of La Poste: [1]. Everything is clear: they mention that 70 years after the death of their author, the stamps are in the public domain. BrightRaven (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. So this clarifies the issue for all stamps issued after 1 July 1992, which is the date of the mentioned law, but what happens with the older ones? The 1992 replaced an older law of 1957 (PDF here), which in turn replaced a law of 1866. It is interesting to note that the first article of the 1957 law does not mention stamps, coins, banknotes or any other work of the State among the "oeuvres de l'esprit" protected by copyright. The 1992 eliminated this ambiguity by adding that the "droit d'auteur" includes works made by "un agent de l'Etat, d'une collectivité territoriale, d'un établissement public à caractère administratif, d'une autorité administrative indépendante dotée de la personnalité morale ou de la Banque de France", thereby including La Poste. I haven't been able to find the text of the 1866 law. Furthermore, the 70 years mentioned in the document in the La Poste website were instituted in France only in the 1990's. Before then, 50 years applied. So these 1944 stamps are under copyright at best until 50 years after the death of their authors, and perhaps all French stamps issued before the 1992 law are actually in the public domain anyway. --Hispalois (talk) 05:20, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I have found the new version of this document on a website of La Poste: [1]. Everything is clear: they mention that 70 years after the death of their author, the stamps are in the public domain. BrightRaven (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- I recently provided that Archive link in the relevant page of Wikipedia in French (diff). That said, I have two issues with that source. First, it is no longer in the website of La Poste, which may mean that it no longer represents its official point of view. Second, it omits the fact that many old stamps are now in the public domain so no permission is needed at all to reproduce them, which makes me doubt that a rigorous legal study was done by La Poste when they wrote that page. --Hispalois (talk) 07:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- Here is an archived page of the official website of the French postal service (laposte.fr). Approximate translation: "as work of art, the stamp is submited to the right of intellectual property. If you publish your collection on line, you must digitalize the stamps, i.e. copy them; this cannot be done without the authorization of the authors and the Postal Service. [...] Each webmaster must contact directly the authors, engravers and designers, or their legal successors to get the authorizations of copy." BrightRaven (talk) 08:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: Still copyrighted stamps. PierreSelim (talk) 12:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
