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Category:Fondation Maeght

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Œuvres contemporaines non libres de droits, bâtiment d'un architecte mort en 1993. --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 10:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. While legislation differs significantly between countries (and France seems to be more strict than f.e. Germany), taking photographs at Fondation Maeght requires a license which can be obtained when buying the ticket. I don't remember the exact terms any more, but when we (a group of photo artists and journalists) visited the site in 2008, we had to pay extra for the photo license, but we did so, as it was clear that some of us would publish their photos online commercially. So, unless there were different licenses for different usage levels, the uploader(s) of the photos must have had obtained a photo license as well in order to take these photos, and if they did, it should be okay for them to upload their photos on Wikipedia as well.
Perhaps someone should check with Fondation Maeght for details. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 11:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We indeed need the exact license terms in this case. --Dereckson (talk) 17:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Without answer at 2 march. --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 10:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Messy nomination since many images represent sculptures not the building itself. None of the authors died 1993 as claimed. Sert, the architect died 1983. Giacometti died 1966. The DR nominator apparently is acting on behalf of unknown potential heirs of deceased Spanish (Sert, Miró) and Swiss (Giacometti) artists, and their potential rights within French jurisdiction, to potential commercial gains from images which haven't been commercialised, and judging by their quality have little potential to provide any commercial gain to anyone. I wonder how long is Commons going to pursue this kind of witch hunting. In any case File:Fondation Maeght3.jpg seems to be a de minimis. --ELEKHHT 12:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    France is a one of the last occidental non-FOP country (with Belgium, Luxembourg, Iceland and Italy in Europe) ==> no public space building or sculpture photos if the architect or the sculptor is alive or dead < 70 years. I assure you some Wikimedia projects contributor do lobbying actions (like a meeting with some UE deputies) to help a freedom of panorama legislation generalization. You'll find more information on the Commons:Freedom of panorama page.
    The Undelete in 2054 category is for the building photos, not the sculptors ones. We'll add them if the DR is closed as delete. --Dereckson (talk) 17:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are overly optimistic, both about the number of countries without FOP and the chances of such lobbying to succeed. (see last para in the linked section) --ELEKHHT 23:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Er... you're right, not include Eastern European countries in the occidental world is a cold war attitude, not acceptable in 2012, I apologize. --Dereckson (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I contact Fondation Maeght for details and rights after payed 5€ for photography. --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 17:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Answer : {{quote|Le droit de photographier donne la possibilité de faire des prises de vues à usage strictement privé et en aucun cas de les exploiter et surtout pas pour un usage commercial.

Toute utilisation doit faire l’objet d’une demande préalable auprès de la Fondation Maeght et des artistes ou des ayants droits des artistes, car les conditions et possibilités de reproduction sont très encadrées.

Cordialement,

Charlène Sokoloff
Chargée de Communication
Fondation Maeght, 06570 Saint-Paul-de-Vence, France
Un document joint indique la seule possibilité pour les plaquettes de promotions avec l'autorisation des auteurs et de l'ADAGP.
On ne peut plus clair comme c'était prévisible. --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 14:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--Dereckson (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Derrière Schlink (en léger flou) est visible en grand (bien nette et plus centrée) une œuvre de Tibor Csernus (mort en 2007), échappe-t-elle aux règles alors qu'elle est le vrai sujet visé par la photo ? --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 20:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
La photo est utilisée pour illustrer des articles sur Berhard Schlink, ce qui tend à confirmer que le vrai sujet visé par la photo, c'est plutôt lui : [1], et oui le droit d'auteur contient une exception qui autorise la reproduction de sujets secondaires sur une photographie. Voir à ce sujet cette excellent chronique de Jastrow. Visiblement, d'après les éléments de ce post, la loi Française ne retiendrait pas spécialement cette photo comme de minimis, l'arrière-plan étant ici évitable.
Je réouvre donc cette DR pour que nous décidions que faire de cette photo (on recadre ?) --Dereckson (talk) 21:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pour le recadrage cela a déjà été fait en File:BernhardSchlinkPortrait.jpg (où on voit bien le flou qui n'a rien d'esthétique et son origine dans la page française où les deux images issues de la même photo sont présentes). --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 09:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pour l'image File:Fondation Maeght.jpg se pose le problème également car le bâtiment est clairement le sujet de la photo (son absence de n° me l'avait fait louper dans la liste). --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 09:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
File:Fondation Maeght.jpg effacé. Pour Bernard Schlink, Un recadrage moins violent, incluant le tableau du fond, qui est à peine visible sur cette photo, me semblerait tout à fait licite. --Dereckson (talk) 09:33, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Puis-je opérer moi-même ce recadrage comme tu le proposes ? --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 15:31, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oui, bien sûr. --Dereckson (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done. --- Salutations. louis-garden pinXit (On en cause) 09:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, j'ignorais que ma photo pourrait déclencher tellement de travail. Merci (et entre parenthèse, la balance entre la liberté de l'expression et celle de la propriété me semble en piètre état quand-même).--wpopp (talk) 10:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: I have also deleed File:Malraux Maeght Prat.jpg . While I agree that de minimis applies with respect to the art, there is no permission for the photograph itself. .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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