Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Seljuq Empire.svg
Unencyclopedic, and probably a copyright violation. This is an unsourced, alleged historical flag of a medieval empire. It is directly taken from [1], where it is described as a recent creation by a named author. It certainly *purports* to be an historical design (in which case it would be PD), but no evidence of an historical source is cited. This is most likely a 20th-century phantasy reconstruction, and as such copyrighted (and also of no encyclopedic value). Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I can confirm the basis for the deletion. I would add that an identical image was deleted last year (see Commons:Deletion requests/Image:GreatSeljuqEmpireFlag.svg) and that a second version, File:Flag of Seljuq Empire.PNG, ought to be deleted along with the file listed above. Aramgar (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Keep because that if File:Flag of Seljuq Empire.PNG isn't a copyvio, so should this one be not a copyvio. --Oren neu dag (talk) 12:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- PLUS:if the image itself has not been taken from Flags of the world website, and only another file was made according to the original in FOTW. therefore it is not a copyvio but a free self made file just like in the case of Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Union of Soviet States of America.svg. --Oren neu dag (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- That's simply not true. If its design is copied, it's a derived work and as such affected by the original copyright. Of course, the two files should be deleted together, as Aramgar rightly said. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Keep I am dismayed at the lack of even the simplest follow-up by those wishing to delete this image. Whereas it is true that the original uploader did not properly source the image, a source is clearly known to Fut.Perf. Consulting this source, it is easy to determine that the Commons image is much higher resolution and therefore not a copy of the file at the Flags of the World source page. We should avoid unwarranted speculation and believe the uploader that the file, at least, is his or her original creation. Furthermore, the Flags of the World page gives its own source on the website of the Turkish presidency. Although that link is now broken, it took me mere moments to find this page on the Turkish President's website showing the same image along with the flags of the other "16 great Turkish states." This 16-states concept appears to be important to Turks and the flags seem to be a well-known part of the iconography of Turkish history; see for example this image of Turkish postage stamps portraying them. (This particular image does not include the Seljuk "flag", which was nevertheless issued on a stamp in 1986 according to this.) I agree that more information on the derivation of the image would be helpful. I suspect that all of the 16 "great state" images are ultimately derived from the postage stamps. I further suspect that at least some of the postage-stamp images are derived from 20th-century historical revisionism and are thus for all intents and purposes ahistorical. But these suspicions, however informed and rooted in fact I believe them to be, are mere speculation on my part. Until a statement on the historicity of the stamp images can be found (possibly by someone with a better knowledge of Turkish than me) this image and the 15 others like it should remain. Illexsquid (talk) 13:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Deleted, I'm very suspicious about this flag, it does not seem very historic to me and I therefore believe it to be out of project scope. Probably a copyright violation as well. Kameraad Pjotr 10:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- Wow. You have absolutely no information about the subject, and did no research whatsoever. You say "it does not seem" and "I believe" and "probably." Do you feel it is just or reasonable to base your decision on uninformed speculation?Illexsquid (talk) 04:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
