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File:Flag_of_Libya_(2011).svg

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File:Flag of Libya (1951).svg is the proper pre-existing SVG file of this flag. Once the TNC (or the new formof Government when the Transition is complete) officially changes the national flag of Libya, then Flag of Libya (1951).svg will be renamed to "Flag of Libya", corresponding to that change. Until such a law is passed (and one has not yet), then there is no purpose of pretending the flag is changed, or duplicating an already existing SVG file. Delete. ~ Fry1989 eh? 00:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I find it is not a duplicate, the crescent and stars are different, and the colors are different, I just used (2011) because it is this year. Its a keeper. --Spesh531, My talk, and External links 05:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is a duplicate. The crescent and star are identical. The Only thing different is the shade of green and red. They were taken from the CIA World Factbook, which is famous for it's errors when it comes to the proper colours and sometimes even proportions of national flags. It should be deleted, it will never be used. Fry1989 eh? 17:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fry1989 -- We probably won't wait for such a law to be passed, but rather do the changeover when the situation in Libya seems to be fully solidly established (i.e. all major towns and cities under rebel control and/or Qaddafi arrested, dead, or exiled and/or the government dropping "transitional" from its name, etc.). The United Kingdom has never passed any such law, and technically the Union Jack is officially merely a naval flag, but encyclopedias and flag charts consider it to be the national flag of the U.K. As for the specific image File:Flag_of_Libya_(2011).svg my reaction is an indifferent "meh" -- it doesn't seem like it will do any good or do any harm. AnonMoos (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Anon, until the flag is officially changed by an edict or law or executive order by the NTC, Libya's national flag either is A: still the Ghadaffi green one, or B: currently non-existant. I'm not saying that this flag wont be used on Libya articles from now on, I'm just trying to set out when this flag would most likely be renamed from it's historical context to the current context of "Flag of Libya". In any case, we only need one SVG of this flag. If the specifications change, they can be reflected by uploading a new version. Fry1989 eh? 20:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Then according to you, the United Kingdom doesn't have a national flag, only naval flags... AnonMoos (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Convention over centuries sets a precedent for the UK. It's not so imple for Libya, and you know that. Fry1989 eh? 21:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Who gets to decide which "conventions" are relevant? You unilaterally? AnonMoos (talk) 21:30, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Covention doesn't just set in over 8 months. It takes time to develop. So loose your pissy attitude and realize that I am trying to be constructive here. Fry1989 eh? 21:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever, dude -- you need to stop being pointlessly petty-bureaucratic, and realize that whether the new government of Libya is fully solidly-established will be given greater weight in the flag file switchover than whether some by-law is passed following Robert's Rules Of Order and filed in triplicate on goldenrod forms according to proper petty-bureaucratic procedure... AnonMoos (talk) 21:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You can call me bureaucratic all you want, but you can't deny that accuracy has been a key on Commons, and the official dates of adoption (and abolition for that matter) become particularily relevant when it comes to naming files here. Until a flag is adopted, we can't claim is has been. Fry1989 eh? 21:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond a certain point, insistence on purely formalistic "ticket-punching" -- when most people care a lot more about the actual substantive reality than whether or not certain hoops were jumped through -- begins to seem a lot more like petty-bureaucratic niggling than a true concern for accuracy. Many of the Wikipedias now give greater prominence to the red-black-green flag, and I don't see why we have to be the only ones to ignore actually-occurring events in favor of technicalities. Anyway, I made a proposal at File_talk:Flag_of_Libya.svg#Proposal... AnonMoos (talk) 23:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These Two Flags Reflect two Different proposals of government if 1951 Con. is used so wil the 1951 flag and vice versa. --Rancalred (talk) 21:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No they don't. The specifications of the flag have nothing to do with the system of government. Fry1989 eh? 21:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: in use, be it in a discussion - no need to delete Jcb (talk) 10:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Flag_of_Libya_(2011).svg

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JCB kept this file because it was in use on a discussion. However, if he had payed attention,, he would have noticed that this file was used on that discussion at a time when it and File:Flag of Libya (1951).svg were distinct from eachother. However, before my first nomination, this file had already been altered to make it identical to the 1951 file. We do not need this uneccesary duplication of the same flag. There are now 3 of them, and they're all 100% identical. I have discussed this with Admin:Zscout370, and he agrees that this one should be deleted.

We now have File:Flag of Libya.svg. File:Flag of Libya (1951).svg, and File:Flag of Libya (2011).svg. This duplication is rediculous, One, or preferably two, should go. We don't need 3 identical files of the same flag. ~ Fry1989 eh? 19:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a duplicate file. If we put this file in the 1951 file, than we can delete it. This file is based on the construction sheet on the FOTW website. The 5 in the crescent means that if the crescent was completed to make a circle, than it would be 30 px. The width of the crescent at largest is 1/6 of the 30 (5px). --Spesh531, My talk, and External links 22:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
At one time it was different, but now it is not. All three flags I have listed above have been altered and are currently identical. Fry1989 eh? 00:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose:

First: move the old green flag to another file (with his edit history), called something like Flag of Libya (1977-2011).svg

Second, rename (or merge) the file Flag of Libya (2011).svg as Flag of Libya.svg

That would leave only 2 flags instead of 3.--Shadowxfox (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on your proposal. The 1951 flag should stay (for the reason of time) and maybe renamed to the time period it was in. The 2011 file could be used if the flag gets changed, (therefore 2011-20??) But it would say on the page that it is a duplicate. --Spesh531, My talk, and External links 14:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Boys, the old green flag has already been uploaded separately as File:Flag of Libya (1977).svg, and it will be renamed to (1977-2011) in good time. File:Flag of Libya.svg is the proper file name already, and has been changed to the new flag. Zscout370 worked hard to make sure that there would be no confusion between the renames, so we don't have to worry about that. That leaves us This file File:Flag of Libya (2011).svg, which should be deleted, and File:Flag of Libya (1951).svg which should be merged with File:Flag of Libya.svg. Even if the 1951 file and "Flag of Libya" aren't merged, this file should be deleted, because we do not need 3 identical files. Fry1989 eh? 17:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It can easily be replaced with File:Flag of Libya.svg through Commons Delinker. Give me one good reason why we need three identical svg files of the exact same flag. You can't, that's why you use "in use" as an argument, even though you're well aware of Commons Delinker. Fry1989 eh? 19:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't shout please. Jcb (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not shouting, I'm using < big > because you have ignored this problem in this discussion, and I'm trying to get you to addresse it, and emphasis is the only other way I can get your attention. "In use" isn't the answer to everything, like you sometimes treat it. There is absolutely no valid reason to have 3 of the exact same thing. Fry1989 eh? 21:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: and redirected to duplicate file. No need to keep dupes around. Powers (talk) 18:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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