Commons:Deletion requests/File:Elli Barczatis.jpg
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Passport photographs are not official works as claimed, but copyrighted by their photogrsapher. Rosenzweig τ 20:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Question: Did passport holders in East Germany normally submit photographs, or were the photographs done by the East German government? (Not knowing a lot about East German history, I am presuming that a large amount of work was on behalf of the state.) --Closeapple (talk) 23:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know. But it doesn't matter here, because the fact that some state official made a photograph does not mean it is an "official work" in a legal sense in Germany. --Rosenzweig τ 17:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- this photo (like the one showing karl laurenz, elli's lover) was taken by the person depicted here, in this case elli herself. she and karl were executed by the east german justice system back in 1955. i found the photos in the massive archive of the BStU, a government organisation. the authorities there gave me a) the right to use the images for my public radio/website work as well as b) for wiki commons. i actually paid for the scans for that purpose. it's all long ago and too tedious to find all the information. plus: permissions @ commons works due to staff shortage extremely slow.
- side note: the barczatis/laurenz case will be in the german media in march 2014. tv teams will film the passport photos, wdr.de will use them on their website etc. there's an audio book on the case with the passport photos on the cover.
- after the deletion of so many files i had uploaded in the last couple of years i'm a bit tired to fight.
- Maximilian (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know. But it doesn't matter here, because the fact that some state official made a photograph does not mean it is an "official work" in a legal sense in Germany. --Rosenzweig τ 17:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- If Elli Barczatis herself, who died in 1955, was indeed the author of this photograph (which does not seem likely, but is possible) it is still protected in the EU until January 1, 2026. In the USA, it will be protected even longer. The rights are held by her heirs, which are most likely not identical with the BStU. So the "permission" the BStU gave you to use the photo is meaningless as far as copyright is concerned. Yes, those photos may have historical value. But historical value is not enough to keep a file here, it also needs to be free per the Commons project scope. --Rosenzweig τ 20:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: Unclear copyright status. Unless we have definitive, explicit written and/or textual, tangible evidence from a credible, verifiable source naming this file as freely licensed under a Commons compatible license, we simply cannot host it on Commons FASTILY 08:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
