Commons:Deletion requests/File:Eglise Saint-Jean-de-Montmartre - Vitrail du choeur.JPG
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Per the style likely a work of a contemporary artist, thereby still copyrighted. --Túrelio (talk) 22:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Comment per the church website the window was completed in 1901, but "restored in 1961" (Google translation). From the translation I was not able to figure out if the window was completely replaced in 1961 or if the restoration was a smaller change. MKFI (talk) 11:00, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- Further comment: the stained glass window was apparently manufactured by fr:Tournel frères (Category:Stained glass windows by Tournel frères), but I could not find when the different Tournels died. MKFI (talk) 12:00, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Delete I'm inclined to delete this, but not enough so to close the DR. The style looks to me to be much later than 1901, but "restauré" suggests only the usual periodic work on the leading, not a complete replacement, so I incline toward accepting the 1901 date. That could, of course, still leave us with a creator who died after 1940 and the rule is, "when in doubt, delete". Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- According to fr:Tournel frères, one of the brothers was active until the 1960s. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- Je conseille de venir visiter l'église. Il y a, à gauche de l'entrée, des panneaux d'information sur les vitraux en français, en anglais, en italien, .... On peut y lire que ce vitrail a été réalisé en 1901 par les frères Destournel et il est d'ailleurs en cours de restauration en 2011. Les frères Destournels ont réalisé le vitrail d'après un carton de Pascal Blanchard (le maître verrier n'a fait le vitrail que d'après un carton). La date de 70 ans après la mort du créateur ne me pose donc pas de problème. Cordialement--JMO (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
- Rough translation -- "a plaque on site says that the Tournel brothers made the window in 1901 from a drawing by Pascal Blanchard". (I assume the French "carton", which I have never seen before, is equivalent to the English "cartoon" in the sense of a drawing or sketch from which to create another work)
- That is good information, thank you. It leaves the question though, of when the brothers and Blanchard died. In order for us to keep it, all would have to have died by 1940. If one was 30 or even 40 years old in 1901, he could easily have lived past 1940.
- If Blanchard is Pascal Blanchard (peintre), he died in 1900, age 93. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:43, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment En suppoasant que l'atelier des frères Destournel soit celui des frères Tournel, leur père, Lionel Tournel, est encore vivant à l'époque de réalisation du vitrail. En 1900 il est le vice-président du jury international de l'Exposition universelle de 1900 pour la classe 67 "Vitraux". Il remet le rapport du jury sur les artistes exposés en 1901. Charles Tournel fait une pétition en 1898 pour que les vitraux soient admis dans la classe Beaux-Arts de l'exposition universelle ce que refuse les peintres et les sculpteurs. On constate que les vitraux peuvent aussi être signés non par des individus par des ateliers. Il est donc difficile de déterminer s'il y a un auteur du vitrail ou si c'est le travail de tout un atelier. La demande de suppression semble justifiée par une opinion. Cordialement --JMO (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Deleted Jcb (talk) 21:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Je trouve honteuse l'attitude de celui qui a commandé la suppression d'une photo d'un vitrail datant de 1901 et de celui qui a exécuté cette suppression. J'espère que vous avez conscience de l'imbécilité de cet acte.--JMO (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
