Commons:Deletion requests/File:Collectie Fotocollectie Rijksvoorlichtingsdienst Eigen, fotonummer 156-0480, Bestanddeelnr 156-0480.jpg

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File:Collectie Fotocollectie Rijksvoorlichtingsdienst Eigen, fotonummer 156-0480, Bestanddeelnr 156-0480.jpg

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This file was initially tagged by Ellywa as no permission (No permission since) Vysotsky (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep Most likely copyright was transferred to the commissioner of this painting (Dutch government). I will enquire with RVD (Rijksvoorlichtingsdienst). Vysotsky (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Vysotsky: And if the copyright had indeed been transferred to the Dutch state, would that painting then be under some kind of free license? If so, which one, how and why? The painter died in 1975, so his works are still protected in the Netherlands until the end of 2045 per the usual 70 years pma formula. In the US, this 1956 painting is protected until the end of 2052. --Rosenzweig τ 10:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment See also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Inauguration Portrait of Queen Juliana of Netherlands.jpeg. --Rosenzweig τ 10:35, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • If the CC license is from the website, we generally rely on the legal acumen of the state agency releasing the image, if they withdraw the license, so do we. --RAN (talk) 05:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • In this particular case the present CC license from the website can not be found, or at least I haven't found it. It seems to be temporarily offline. I did found a low resolution image, which I added to the documentation on 7 april 2023, see here.
Now in a new search I did found several other higher resolution images, see [1]; [2]; [3]; and [4]. Also the initial photo-shot tool place in the "ministerie van Overzeese Rijksdelen" (see here), and apparently the painting ended up at the "Kantoor voor Voorlichting en Radio Omroep Nederlands Nieuw Guinea" (Office for Information and Radio Broadcasting Dutch New Guinea).
As to the comments by Vysotsky and Rosenzweig. They seem to foresee only two options: the copyright was released or not. And depending on this it is go or no-go. Yet I wonder: was it not just regular in those days, that in the process a publicity photo was released to the press with permission by the artist. The artist gave permission for just this one publicity picture to be distributed. We, the RKD, and current copyright-owners can leave it with that and uphold that that permission still stands..!? This would mean that even with a no-copyright transfer, we can still keep hosting the image. It does mean that we cannot take a new picture if we know where the painting is now. -- Mdd (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Found this image at [5] where CC0 is indicated. —holly {chat} 18:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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