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File:Coat of arms of Chile (1835).jpg

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converted by me to DR from a copyvio-speedy by IP 150.203.124.40 for "http://urbatorium.blogspot.com/2009/09/breve-estudio-sobre-la-historia-y-el.html" in order to check whether photo in this case is still covered by PD-art/old. Túrelio (talk) 15:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the IP's comments, see edit-summaries in the file-history. --Túrelio (talk) 15:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The IP's argument that it is not a picture of a two-dimensional work is not convincing. -- Asclepias (talk) 23:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Respuesta. No se trata de un argumento, sino que de un hecho: la imagen es una fotografía reciente tomada por el autor del blog «Urbatorium» y él es el dueño de los derechos sobre esa imagen. No se trata de una imagen en dos dimensiones, puesto que se puede apreciar claramente el doblez de las hojas y la sombra que se proyecta en él.
  • Remove. La observación anterior especifica el origen de la imagen publicada aquí. Dado que se trata de una fotografía reciente con un autor fácilmente individualizable, debiese ser removida. -- Herufuin (talk) 10.04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  •  Keep per {{PD-Art}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. La fotografía fue tomada personalmente por el autor del blog y la integró en un informe que remitió al Senado de la República de Chile el 26 de agosto del 2009. Contiene una clara perspectiva tridimensional, puesto que es visible el doblez de las hojas que separan la imagen integral del escudo. En otros términos, el autor del blog tomó directamente la foto desde el libro donde aparece la imagen del escudo y los derechos sobre esa foto le pertenencen a él y no pueden ser ocupados por Wikipedia. En consecuencia, la imagen debe ser removida. -- Herufuin (talk) 10.57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. I have just realized that neither Asclepias nor Pieter Kuiper are able to understand Spanish. As an obvious consequence, you have not understood the reasons given before to remove the file. Let me explain you—the file is a photo taken personally by the author of the blog and he is the owner of its copyrights. The photo is not a two-dimensional image, for it shows clearly the ply of the sheets in the middle of the photographed book. The author included this photo in a report for the Senate of the Republic of Chile, sent the 26th of August 2009. This was the original place of his photo. After that, he published the same image in his blog "Vrbatorium", the 12th of September 2009. Therefore, the file has to be removed. -- Herufuin (talk) 06.07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Kept. - la sombra no tiene suficiente originalidad para causar copyright - Jcb (talk) 17:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Jcb, no has tenido en consideración que la fotografía fue tomada personalmente por el autor del blog y que alguien la copió vulgarmente desde ahí sin siquiera mencionar la fuente de la imagen. Porque la imagen, como ya he dicho previamente, es una fotografía y no una mera copia de lo que aparece en el libro desde donde fue captada. ¿Acaso tú crees que fue muy fácil acceder al documento y conseguir una fotografía desde él? Llevar a cabo el esfuerzo de conseguir acceso y las autorizaciones pertinentes debiese ser retribuido, al menos, citando la verdadera fuente de la imagen y no pasando por alto que ella es propiedad de alguien en particular. Si la imagen no es removida, debiese al menos ser reconocida como tomada desde el blog «Vrbatoirum», puesto que el autor de este blog fue quien consiguió la fotografía y porque no hay ningún otro sitio web desde donde haya podido ser tomada (sin permiso por cierto). El mismo autor del blog interpone esta condición en su blog: puedes leerla en la barra lateral izquierda de él. -- Herufuin (talk) 02.55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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File:Coat of arms of Chile (1835).jpg

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The image is under copyright and its author did not authorize the use of this photograph here--the original source is even quoted in the file's page (!). There are relevant precedents set up by Graves Case, 1869, L.R. 4 Q.B. 715; Jeweler's Circular Pub Co. v. Keystone Pub Co. 274 F 932, 934 (S.D. N.Y., 1921); 2008 WL 557412, p.16 (S.D. Cal. 2008), and Salvator Mundi LLC v. Laura Sotka and Sean Brothers, Action 7:2011 CVO 05404. 2800:300:62C1:B770:0:0:0:1 21:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep - Too old and too dark to claim anything. --E4024 (talk) 23:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. Being "old" or "dark" are not valid criteria for transgressing copyrights. This is simply illegal and punishable by law. As stated in the cited case of Jeweler's Circular Pub Co. v. Keystone Pub Co. 274 F 932, 934 (S.D. N.Y., 1921), "no photograph, however simple, can be unaffected by the personal influence of the author." No matter how "old" looks to you, this is still the work of the person who actually took the photo. Besides, as stated in the Graves Case, 1869, L.R. 4 Q.B. 715, "a photograph taken from a picture is an original photograph, in so far that to copy it [the picture] is an infringement of the Copyright Act." So there is no way that anyone claims a photo has no copyright. The rights of the author must be observed and, therefore, this photo file must be erased.2800:300:62C1:7FF0:0:0:0:1 19:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, this photo is not actually "old", for it was taken within the last twenty years by the author of the blog "Vrbatorium" (credited as the source of this file), who is still alive, indeed. All the content within that blog, placed in <http://urbatorium.blogspot.com/>, is under copyright of his author. All of it. And this photo, in particular, was taken personally by him after struggling to get access to the book it depicts. But it doesn't really matter how much effort he spent in doing this, as this photo is his personal property and should not be publicly displayed without his permission.2800:300:62C1:7FF0:0:0:0:1 23:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But that is not a photo it is a 2d reproduction. So the photo case doesen't apply here.--Sanandros (talk) 20:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. (non-admin closure) - No valid reason to remove. Work is obviously in the public domain. --Kuatrero (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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