Commons:Deletion requests/File:Church of Scientology Moscow.jpg
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No COM:FOP in Russia for modern buildings. The architect must be dead at least 70 years before a building is out of copyright in Russia or the former Soviet states. Commons cannot legally keep this image and this building is not a typical design. Its very distinctive which means its copyrightable. Leoboudv (talk) 05:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete them all. Note that the image description is a blatant hoax: the place is not within Garden Ring, and it's not "just a mile from Red Square". Oh, and the architect may live indefinitely, just like LRH, because it's a bunch of companies. Curiously, the other facade of their den (the one facing the street) is as nondescript as it could be - just a dull flat with a bank office in ground floor. Poor men's postmodernism. Even more curiously, COFS-Moscow themselves allowed [unaffiliated] bloggers to photograph the innards of their den, in and out - http://ottenki-serogo.livejournal.com/219900.html, http://kirill-kuzmin.livejournal.com/55706.html (both include NSFW flamewars in Russian). NVO (talk) 17:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hold On. Can we keep civil language please? Leoboudv, this is not my image but it comes from Flickr.com where it was provided by the owner, the Church of Scientology International (a US corporation that oversees all churches worldwide, including Moscow[1]). They own the picture but have licensed it for Commons use. Your concerns seem only valid for tourist-type snapshots but I am new to this and certainly don't know international copyright details. Could you elaborate? PictorialEvidence (talk) 18:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Comment: Freedom of Panorama or COM:FOP says what pictures may or may not be used on Commons in certain countries. Aircraft and Vehicles (cars, trucks, trains, etc) are free from FOP issues since they are utilitarian. But Modern buildings and bridges especially are copyrighted in countries with no FOP unless their architects died at least 70 years ago. That is why we can have pictures of the Kremlin building which is hundreds of years old. But this building looks quite new, so it may be copyrighted. This says which countries have FOP or no FOP in Europe and to what extent. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. I do not know how old this building is but you are right, it looks quite new. On the other hand it seems that the owner licensed it CC BY-SA. Wouldn't it be possible then to use it on Commons? PictorialEvidence (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- I flickrpassed the image but it doesn't change Russian law on Freedom of Panorama. The photo cannot be used here on Commons because it must be legally acceptable to do so both in the US where wikipedia is based and in the country of origin--Russia here. It is not acceptable in Russia. This is a non-free fair use image that can only be uploaded at english wikipedia, not at Commons like this example. So, it will be deleted in the future at Commons. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for the explanation. It's a nice photo but I understand the rules now. PictorialEvidence (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
