Commons:Deletion requests/File:Buzz Aldrin EVA Selfie.jpg
I question the copyright status of this file, despite my uploading it, I feel it should have broader discussion rather than my just requesting deletion as the uploader. My query is:
- Is this image PD, I asked at the help desk, and received one compelling argument that it may not be here.
Note I have requested Mr. Aldrin release it under CC to cover all basis (if it were deemed not PD), this request was declined. Mr. Aldrin claims to be the copyright owner. Kelapstick (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - What now? Aldrin, when taking this image, was doing his official duties as an employee of the US government. Althought PD-NASA is a little unclear on the issue, Template:PD-USGov is unequivocal that such images are PD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe the licence should be changed to PD-USGov if this is kept. For clarity. --~~
- Delete Yes, we can ask how can he own it as it was taken on NASA time with a NASA camera while a NASA employee. But, these statements sure lean toward commons not being able to have it:
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- Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:15, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Really Anna, identifiable and privacy infringement? In a space helmet? In which there are several other PD images of him? If it was a picture taken by NASA of him at a BBQ at his house sure I could see that, but he is hardly identifiable in this image, and it certainly doesn't infringe on his privacy, in particular when he has posted it on twitter. --kelapstick(on the run) 02:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Good points. I guess when they say "identifiable" and "recognizable", they mean how he appears in the image, and not him walking down street. So, I imagine the point of the NASA policy is so that if somebody puts this image on the side of a bus selling soap, which they could, people would not say that Buzz endorses the soap, because he could not be widely recognized as Buzz. So, maybe "keep" is reasonable. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- AFAIK, the clauses are not copyright clauses (i.e. not "no commercial use") clauses, but statements that individuals may have personality rights. That's par for the course, and is just a matter of including a personality rights template where necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- Good points. I guess when they say "identifiable" and "recognizable", they mean how he appears in the image, and not him walking down street. So, I imagine the point of the NASA policy is so that if somebody puts this image on the side of a bus selling soap, which they could, people would not say that Buzz endorses the soap, because he could not be widely recognized as Buzz. So, maybe "keep" is reasonable. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Really Anna, identifiable and privacy infringement? In a space helmet? In which there are several other PD images of him? If it was a picture taken by NASA of him at a BBQ at his house sure I could see that, but he is hardly identifiable in this image, and it certainly doesn't infringe on his privacy, in particular when he has posted it on twitter. --kelapstick(on the run) 02:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:15, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Hm. I found Green Giant's comment at [1] pretty compelling: essentially not taken as part of his official duties (his duty was photographing stars in the ultraviolet band, not taking a selfy (selfie?)), therefore perhaps not PD-USGov. However, the NASA itself have the photo under identifier S66-62926, available online as spaceflight.nasa.gov, on Flickr as CC-BY-NC, and twice on DVIDS (the last two large; evidently with a bogus "date taken", more likely "date scanned"). The only problem is that DVIDS states "courtesy photo", but then they do that for many other NASA images; it may well be an artifact of their merging the NASA image database into DVIDS. DVIDS photos are in general PD-USGov: [2]. The image also exists as a 107MB TIFF at archive.org, who indicate a PD status. NASA's own JSC (Johnson Space Center) also has the photo at [3] and says at [4] "All of the imagery on this site is public domain." I agree with Crisco above that the personality rights restrictions that may or may not apply here don't change the copyright status of the photo. So all in all, I lean towards
Keep. BTW, the photo was taken on November 12, 1966. Lupo 08:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Kept: apparently ok FASTILY 07:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
the tag says NASA material is not copyrighted "unless noted". in the original version of the file, in the lower left corner is "(c) 2014 Buzz Aldrin". the uploader, Kelapstick, has cropped the copyright notice from the current version. 2607:FB90:2705:6B20:6693:934C:DE84:17BA 14:58, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- IMO, Keep for the reasons I outlined in the first deletion nomination. This photo, which was taken on November 12, 1966, exists in much larger versions on several USGov/NASA sites that all assert public domain status and that don't bear the 2014 Buzz Aldrin copyright notice. Lupo 23:12, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, as per the discussion above. I did crop the watermarks, however I did it after it was uploaded so the "original" would be in the file history (as to not be hiding hiding anything). With regards to your comment, you can't add a copyright notice to a near 50 year old PD picture and say this is mine now. I would be the equivalent of me planting a flag on Nebraska and claiming it as part of Nova Scotia (on a much smaller scale, naturally). As Lupo mentioned there are higher resolution unwatermarked versions available direct from NASA, which I believe should replace this version (I'd have used that if I had known where they were originally).--Kelapstick (talk) 22:10, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Kept: Seems okay. Natuur12 (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
A better version of this image is available at File:Buzz Aldrin self-photograph during Gemini 12 EVA (S66-62926).jpg. I replaced it in the english wiki already, but I struggle to navigate the edit process of the other language wikis - however, I assume the admins have tools for global file replacements. Draemmli (talk) 01:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
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Kept: not exact duplicate. To replace files massively, check the Commons Delinker. Ruthven (msg) 21:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
