Commons:Deletion requests/File:BiH - Bosanska Krajina.PNG

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File:BiH - Bosanska Krajina.PNG

Badly done, without sources, should be replaced with File:Bosanska krajina01.png. Delete and redirect to File:Bosanska krajina01.png. Zoupan (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)  I withdraw my nomination--Zoupan (talk) 20:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

•  Comment Nominator, explain what you mean by "Badly done". Geo Swan (talk) 11:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Badly done, as in nonaesthetic, without sources.--Zoupan (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
    • "Nonaesthetic"? We are not art critics. This is not a criteria for deletion. The question is whether the image is in scope. Geo Swan (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
•  Comment Nominator, the image is credited to the uploader. So please explain what you mean by "without sources". Do you have a reason to call the uploader a liar? Geo Swan (talk) 11:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Why would I call the uploader a liar? I'm confused. The image does not show the actual region of Bosanska Krajina, at least not according to sources.--Zoupan (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Only you can explain why you called the uploader a liar, but this is essentially what your nomination did. We ALWAYS take uploader's claims they made images themselves at face value, unless we have a reason to doubt -- like that they had been caught claiming plagiarized images were their own, in the past. If you can't point to such evidence I think you should withdraw this nomination, and be careful not to make similar nominations in future. Doing so is not just impolite to the uploader, it wastes the time of third parties. Geo Swan (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

•  Keep We have lots of maps other people think show inaccurate boundaries. Maps that show France occupying most of North America bug me. Nevertheless, we keep them. The existence of a map Nominator prefers is not a reason to delete this map. For whatever reason people here might prefer this one. Geo Swan (talk) 11:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
•  Comment Nominator recommends File:Bosanska krajina01.png instead of this image? Well, its also sourced to the uploader. Geo Swan (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. It's sourced to Jelena Mrgić-Radojčić (2002) Donji Kraji: Krajina srednjovekovne Bosne, Filozofski fakultet ISBN: 978-86-80269-59-7. (scanned map here). Please see the references section.--Zoupan (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Sorry, you don't understand the purpose and meaning of the source field. User:PANONIAN, the uploader, described the image as their "own work". The "reference" they list is to an earlier map that they found useful in creating this map. If Panonian's map is re-used, elsewhere, who is entitled to be credited? Panonian. It is their work, just as this image, if re-used, should be credited to Ady. Frankly, your failure to understand this key point triggers concerns on my part on any other nominations you've made. I urge you to go back and check to see if you have made this mistake in any earlier nominations you've made. Geo Swan (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

•  Keep The map is in use by other Wikimedia projects (two Wikipedia articles) and therefore in scope. According to commons:scope, "It should be stressed that Commons does not exist to editorialise on other projects – that an image is in use on a non talk/user page is enough for it to be within scope." If you feel this map should not be used, you should tell the Wikipedias and try to convince local communities to use another one or not to use any map at all.--Pere prlpz (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, thank you.--Zoupan (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• If your reply to Pere prlpz is an acknowledgement that this image was not a candidate for deletion, after all, then you should withdraw your nomination. Your failure to do so wastes the time of other busy people. Should they really have to read your initial nomination statement, read the discussion above, and read all the way down to your "Fair enough" to see there is no need for them to weigh in themselves? That was a trick question. The answer is a clear "No". So go back up to your initial nomination statement, and clearly state you are withdrawing your nomination. Then enclose your initial nomination statement within the overstrike markup codes -- <s></s> -- Geo Swan (talk) 04:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I did not intend to waste the time of other busy people. My intention was to remove an unsourced image (=without a reference) which is purported to depict a region with an image that was sourced (=with a reference) and does depict the region. The unsourced image is a slightly remade version of the CIA factbook map, but does not state this.--Zoupan (talk) 18:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

You are wasting other people's time by asking to delete and image that, according to Commons rules must obviously be kept because it's in use - but I admit I don't mind much wasting my time this way. If you don't want to waste other busy people's time, you can make your claim to replace the image where it can be useful: the projects using the image.--Pere prlpz (talk) 11:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

And if an image is an obvious derivative work of another public domain image, you can fix description and license, but this is not a reason to delete - it wouldn't be even if it wasn't fixed, because public domain doesn't require attribution.--Pere prlpz (talk) 12:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Kept: INeverCry 00:04, 27 May 2015 (UTC)