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The author given is most propably not the creator of the symbol. If the original author is unknown, it is unsure if he/she died 70+ years ago. Leyo 17:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

KEEP The acorn symbol is very very old. Similar designs are made on modern cards, but this contributor seems to have redrawn it himself. Is there any indication that there is an infringement of a modern deck design? Most German acorn pips seem sufficiently different.--Knulclunk (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Keep Why do you think there are copyrightable aspects being copied from elsewhere? Can you link to pictures that show this is a copy?--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  What about this image (whole page)? It is a derivative work and the uploader is not the author (= creator).

  The image might be PD because of the age or the simplicity of the symbol. For this aspect, see the discussion on a similar symbol. --Leyo 08:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. This is very annoying because we need something like this file for various Wikipedia articles, but this is a precise vector version of the acorn suit symbol as used in a specific design of modern playing cards. More precisely, the Bavarian playing cards published originally by F.X. Schmid and more recently (after they were sold) by ASS Altenburg-Stralsunder Spielkartenfabriken. Of course all acorn suit symbols in all designs look more or less like acorns, but there is a great deal of variation between them, and this particular design appears to be from the 20th century and is probably sufficiently different from others to have individual copyright. A Google image search for "ASS Altenburger Schafkopf Tarock" comes up with cover cards of various similar sets. Different sets (even from the same publisher) have different acorns. Those in which the Ober carries an oval red shield have precisely the acorn design under discussion. I think at this point we need a copyright expert who can tell us whether we can solve the problem by claiming lack of originality.
  The ideal solution would be if someone could redraw the suit symbols in a way that falls into the usual range of representations, but without copying an existing design – or maybe copying a very old one. Hans Adler (talk) 08:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  What is meant by F.X. Schmid: the person or the publishing company? In the former case, {{PD-old}} would apply. --Leyo 09:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  The company. The design looks rather recent to me, although it is of course loosely based on earlier designs. Hans Adler (talk) 22:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• While there exist a large number of small variations, this symbol and its basic design goes back to early modern and possibly even medieval times. In one of my books I just found images of cards of the Nuremburg artist Peter Flötner that were created c. 1544 and which show a very similar design (Peter Trumpf: Kartenspiele und Spielkarten, Heyne-Verlag, ISBN 3-453-41005-X, plate between pp. 48 and 49). In comparing these symbols, I fail to see any threshold of originality beyond the centuries-old original design. --AFBorchert (talk) 08:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

  Thanks for your investigation. Have you also found similar old symbols to this image? --Leyo 09:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

  Hi Leyo, this is a symbol from the Swiss Jass game which I am less familiar with and for which I do not have literature ready at hand. --AFBorchert (talk) 09:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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Kept: too simple to be copyrightable Jcb (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)