Commons:Deletion requests/File:Antique Sterling Silver Design made in Italy since 1882.jpg

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File:Antique Sterling Silver Design made in Italy since 1882.jpg

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Image and others have been uploaded as part of an elaborate marketing campaign to promote a brand.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Antares881 uploaded the headline file and those identified below

Each of the images is utilised by a string of articles created and maintained by IP addresses. These articles all lead back to a redirect to a brand page at greggio.com and so its seems to be marketing of a brand only, and no credible article on a notable entity. I understand that while these images are used at the WPs they cannot be deleted, I have started the deletion requests for article removals.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are other similarities between the uploads of Alec Smithson and those of Antares881, notably the spurious dates of creation, stating the source as "archives" or "historical archives", always using the license {{Pd-us}} when it is patently obvious that they were not published before 1923. Compare the similarities between File:Allsecures Insurance logotype made by Amedeo Natoli.jpg uploaded by Alec Smithson which gives the creation date as 1915, when the company did not even exist until 1933 and File:Punchcutting made in Italy of Silver Cesa 1882.jpg uploaded by Antares881, a modern colour photograph of a 3-D object with a stated creation date of 1882. That hallmark did not exist until after the Cesa company took that name in the 1920s, and according to some antique websites the "1-AL" mark depicted in the image was not used until 1935 and was not registered with the Italian government until 1968. Note also that the same image appears on the current Greggio website [3].
In other words, what started out as a single COI article three years ago by one user, has recently been spread all over the place by a different user without a COI in that company but with an obsession for creating multiple articles on multiple Wikipedias by machine translating existing Wikipedia articles, largely from the Italian Wikipedia. Voceditenore (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 06:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Addenda. Just a further indication that the 2017 IP edits and cross-wiki article spamming are by Smithson and not the COI user who created the original Italian WP article are these diffs: a Smithson IP adds promotional copy about famous restaurants who use Cesa silverware, describes it as a "luxury brand" and "highly prized by collectors" [4]. Another Smthson IP then adds the "information" that Cesa silverware is also owned by the Polli family [5]. The interrelated Natoli, Biotti, and Polli families are an obsession with Smithson. When his articles about them are deleted, he attempts to insert their names in other seemingly unrelated articles. Voceditenore (talk) 08:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
File:Punzone Cesa.jpg does not appear to cross the threshold of originality, but it was quite clearly neither created in 1882, nor published before 1923. This punchmark was not used by Cesa until 1935. Voceditenore (talk) 09:58, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Voceditenore: thanks for he narrative and opinion. Very useful for the community's consideration.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Erinaceus: to note the conversation.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@AttoRenato: another admin on the Italian Wikipedia who is very familiar with Alec Smithson and his IP socks. Voceditenore (talk) 11:20, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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