Commons:Deletion requests/File:Albert Dossenbach.jpg

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File:Albert Dossenbach.jpg

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Per [1], this is a photograph by German photographer de:Alfred Krauth, who died in 1956. So the photo is not in the public domain in Germany yet, and the file should be deleted. It can be restored in 2027. Rosenzweig τ 14:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding the extracted file
to this deletion request. --Rosenzweig τ 14:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rosenzweig,
Thanks for notifying me that this picture is not in the public domain. If it's not too much trouble, can you check my other uploads to see if they're copyrighted as well. Particularly the Hans Müller photo; it bears a resemblance to Dossenbach's, which could mean it's the same photographer, but Krauth's name does not appear on it so I can't know for sure. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already checked them. Most are from the same publisher, probably the same postcard series, but I couldn't find a named photographer for the others. The Müller one is here at the Bavarian State Library; while no photographer is named, there is a note about this photo having the Signatur (call number) "Fotoarchiv Hoffmann B.4". So it may have come from the Munich studio of Heinrich Hoffmann. Not sure if Hoffmann was the actual photographer though. --Rosenzweig τ 21:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Thanks for checking. Should the Müller photo be deleted as well just incase, or can it be kept due to the authorship being inconclusive? I'm new to uploading images, so I don't know what the procedures are for this type of situation. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an absolute must to have them deleted without some significant doubt about them being free. For newly uploaded files, the uploader can ask to have them deleted again though, within a week of uploading (COM:COURTESY). --Rosenzweig τ 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS @Earle Bartibus Huxley: If you want the images just for the English Wikipedia, you can upload them locally there. This one should be ok there with the templates {{PD-US-expired}} and {{Do not move to Commons|reason=US only|expiry=2026}}. --Rosenzweig τ 06:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting me know about that @Rosenzweig. I think I'll keep the Müller photo up though, considering we can't identify the photographer as of yet. I think I also might insert the other photos I've uploaded onto their respective non-English articles as well, because they too don't have pictures.
Just incase I've misundertood, do you mean I can upload the Dossenbach photo on the English wiki, providing I use those templates you've mentioned, or were you just refering to my other uploads? Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Earle Bartibus Huxley: I was specifically referring to the Dossenbach photo, but since they were all apparently published ca. 1917, all of them should be fine for en.wp. In US copyright, anything published before 1929 (as of this year, it goes up one year each New Year's Day) is in the public domain. --Rosenzweig τ 06:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's handy to know. How do I upload a picture locally to the English wikipedia? I found a file that appears to be on the wikipedia mainspace (this) is this an example of what you've said? Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
en:Special:Upload. I recently uploaded en:File:Leon Amar - The Evening News ca 1910.jpg, you can look at the source text of that one and copy/adapt it for your upload. --Rosenzweig τ 07:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that helps a lot.
Would it be okay if I upload the cropped version I made? or does it have to be the original, uncropped photo? I'm only asking because I prefer the former due to it not having text on it. If I'm strictly required to upload the original photo then I don't mind.
Also, should I wait til these photos get deleted from the commons first. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 22:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either version should be ok, though I think uploading both would be preferrable for sourcing reasons. You can also upload the uncropped version first, then the cropped version with the same file name as the uncropped one (confirm warnings), then you'll have two file versions of the same file with the later one the one being shown when used in an article. You won't be able to use the exact same file name though while there is a file with that name here at Commons, only en.wp admins can do that. So you can either upload using a (slightly) different file name or wait for the deletion of the Commons file. --Rosenzweig τ 11:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers. I think I'll wait. I presume a deletion nomination on the commons lasts the same time as a deletion request does on wikipedia (7 days). If so, the photos will be deleted from the commons tomorrow and I can then reuse the file names. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 12:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion requests here usually can be closed after 7 days, but it might take longer. There's one DR from October 2023 still open, 236 from November, over 600 from December. There are 200+ DRs here daily, and it takes a while to decide the more complicated ones. --Rosenzweig τ 15:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I'll get started then. I've renamed both fils to "Aviator_Albert_Dossenbach". I'll message you back when I've done it just to make sure I've done it right. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 12:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosenzweig I've uploaded them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aviator_Albert_Dossenbach.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aviator_Albert_Dossenbach_(cropped).jpg
Let me know if there are any problems with them. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 14:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They're both fine from what I can see. --Rosenzweig τ 15:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's great to hear. I have also replaced the photo on the Dossenbach article with the new one; everything is sorted out now. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 22:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • US Copyright law has USA law taking precedence if it was made public in the USA in the same year. Should we assume that since it is in a USA archive it was made public in the USA in the same year, as a postcard in circulation? --RAN (talk) 22:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is published simultaneously (or within 30 days), not "made public in the USA in the same year". Those postcards were published in Germany at the time of the First World War. I don't see any evidence that the postcards were simultaneously published in the US. Simultaneous publication happened somewhat frequently for English language books that were published at about the same time in the UK and the US. It's rare for anything else. --Rosenzweig τ 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simultaneous publication is not that uncommon for sheet music, either, which was often made available through the publisher's American affiliate. It was not at all common for wartime postcards. However, it is in the public domain in the US (just not because it was published simultaneously). D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 21:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Transferred to en-WP, to be restored in 2027. —holly {chat} 20:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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