Commons:Deletion requests/File:Abetomb03 (December 2005).jpg
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Personal photo of uploader's friends; useless for educational or informative purposes Nyttend (talk) 13:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note that this was transferred from en:wp; by "uploader" I mean the en:wp uploader, not the person who transferred it to Commons. Nyttend (talk) 13:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep: Strangely enough, illustrates a well-known tradition, at least in Illinois, at a national landmark. Rubbing Lincoln's nose on the front bust at Lincoln's Tomb for good luck (or just because you can) is common practice. I think I did even did it when I was a kid; and even for anyone who doesn't know about the tradition, the eye-catching shine on his nose makes them do what comes naturally. Evidence back at least 40 years: Irene Hunt discussed it in 1967 when accepting her Newberry Award; Bloomington's sister city delegation from Vladimir, Russia rubs the nose in a 1989 photo: "Sister City Association celebrates 20th anniversary" by Sharon K. Wolfe, The Pantagraph (Bloomington, Illinois), 2009-09-12; travel guide page 126 of In Lincoln's Footsteps (1991); author mentions doing it in the Introduction in The Lincolns: A Scrapbook Look at Abraham and Mary (2008); a 2008-06-21 blog post at The State Journal-Register (Springfield's main newspaper) about tomb renovations is titled "The nose … is closed"; and there is a retired Christmas ornament from 1996. There are no other photos of this on Wikipedia. --Closeapple (talk) 08:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Withdraw per Closeapple's evidence; I never imagined that this was anything but a silly juvenile attempt to disgust viewers. Nyttend (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- I can see how the way the kid in the hat is positioned might be suggestive; but regular behavior really is to touch the outside like he's doing, not what his finger suggests. (There are pictures on the web of people doing otherwise, and inside the monument no less, but they are of course vulgar blasphemers. Tsk!) --Closeapple (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- I assumed that they were pretending to pick his nose :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Keep clearly an often-touched nose. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Kept - nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Unused personal picture. Ices2Csharp (talk) 13:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Question: How is this different than before, when the result was Keep? (It illustrates an Illinois tradition, and for a file to be out-of-scope under Commons:Project scope#File not legitimately in use, it also must not be "realistically useful for an educational purpose".) --Closeapple (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's not true the result was 'keep'. The nomination was canceled instead. I see no realistic educational purpose, adding such a picture to an article would be considered vandalism. Ices2Csharp (talk) 13:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I think perhaps you're misunderstanding what is going on in that picture: Perhaps you think they are picking his nose? This was discussed in the previous nomination. They are rubbing the tip of his nose for "good luck" (or just because it attracts people to touch it). It's actually one of the better-known attributes of Lincoln's Tomb, at least to people in Illinois. If Commons had a better image of the same behavior at Lincoln's Tomb, maybe I could see how this file would be an unnecessary duplicate because it has been mistaken for nose-picking in the past. --Closeapple (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Also, as far as it being canceled: I see "Kept" from a non-admin closure, which is allowed by Commons:Deletion policy#Closure "if they have a good understanding of the process, and provided the closure is not controversial". An explanation, agreement, and withdrawal of a nomination, followed by a over a month and a half open for anyone else to assert deletion reasons again, with no response, is about as uncontroversial as it gets. --Closeapple (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's not true the result was 'keep'. The nomination was canceled instead. I see no realistic educational purpose, adding such a picture to an article would be considered vandalism. Ices2Csharp (talk) 13:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep speedy - it is quite clear that Ices2Csharp had not considered the previous nomination. Plaes stop making this kind of nominations. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's true I didn't see the other nomination when I started this one, but I still think this file should be deleted. (You didn't add any valid reason for 'speedy' closure.) Ices2Csharp (talk) 14:03, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep sigh. Pro-tip -- if the link to the talk page is blue, the picture was already nominated for deletion or there is something on the talk page you should consider before the nomination. Trycatch (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip. Could you also say why you want to keep this? "Sigh" is not quite a clear argument. Ices2Csharp (talk) 20:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep per same reasons as previous discussion: Still "realistically useful for an educational purpose" (per Commons:Project scope#File not legitimately in use), with all the citations I noted in the previous nomination, all of which are still online. Likely to remain realistically educational unless Commons gets better examples of someone rubbing the nose in front of Lincoln's Tomb, which is a long-established, well-documented tradition in Illinois. --Closeapple (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. It appears to have been uploaded as a personal picture, but it's a member of the rare breed of personal pictures that are realistically useful for the general public. No reason to delete this, given the sources that Closeapple gave in the first deletion nomination. Nyttend (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Kept per comments and previous nom. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)