Commons:Deletion requests/File:Abdou Salam 02.jpg
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Unused image of a non-notable rapper. So OOS. Adamant1 (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Keep Hello this rapper is realy known in arab world many arabic references in arabic he released more than 120 songs since 2013 and write 2 books on the hip hop and his lyrics, and there is his wikipedia article https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%88_%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85 // --Bachounda (talk) 09:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but anyone can write a book or self release a song. Doing so doesn't automatically make someone notable though. Outside of that I was actually aware of the Wikipedia article before I nominated the image for deletion. The problem is anyone can create a Wikipedia article and his seems to be referenced to primary, promo, dead links. Plus it's extremely promotional in tone itself. Unfortunately Arabic language Wikipedia has extremely low (to non-exiting) standards of inclusions (really even ENG Wikipedia barely does). So the fact that he has an AR language Wikipedia article doesn't say anything for his notability IMO. Especially considering the sources that are used in the article. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would like to contradict you on the Arabic Wikipedia has a very good policy and very experienced contributors, it is not like wikipedia in aglais or french but there are people working on it despite all the constraints in the mena region and other parts of the world that have a glaring deficit in the way of providing references, which is extremely difficult to prove the notability of any things not just people.
- I see that unfortunately some links are dead and not archived - this is also a big problem for preserving information on the web when the website disappears, the article instantly loses its best references and is likely to be deleted.
- I recognize that this is not an easy solution. If I trust my knowledge and information, but I can't share them on Wikipedia because they don't have good references, I would never try to publish them because I take my time to make sure they have enough sources otherwise I prefer to leave them anonymous. This is the policy and we must respect it.
- However, thank you for your comments on the article, I have checked the tone and style of the article and removed dead links to inappropriate parts.
- Thank you for what you have done, indirectly you have helped to improve an article on Arabic wikipedia. Bachounda (talk) 12:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Has to be kept - automatically in scope because it is used in another Wikimedia project. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- See my comment in the other deletion request. I don't really feel like rehashing it. (I'm more then willing to just delete the image from the Wikipedia article if it comes down to that). --Adamant1 (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- That would be highly improper. It's up to Arabic Wikipedia to decide what subjects are notable. Removing images from an article as a way to decrease the quality of the article because you don't approve of the subject matter would be a hostile and unwikilike act. I would have no problem with removing these images if they were not in use, but they are in use, so we have to concede the point, period. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's up to Arabic Wikipedia to decide what subjects are notable. I don't really have the urge to argue about this, but anyone can edit the Arabic Wikipedia and it's on whomever edits it to decide what content should or shouldn't be an in an article. It's a little weird that your treating me like I can't edit an AR article just because I'm an English speaker or whatever. There's nothing hostile or unwikilike about someone editing an article in a language that they aren't fully proficient in. People remove undisclosed COI/spam content from articles all the time. Including images. The language of the article or what language they speak has nothing to do with it. Nor does someone's "approval" of the subject or lack of it matter either. Most people disapprove of and remove COI/SPAM edits.
- That would be highly improper. It's up to Arabic Wikipedia to decide what subjects are notable. Removing images from an article as a way to decrease the quality of the article because you don't approve of the subject matter would be a hostile and unwikilike act. I would have no problem with removing these images if they were not in use, but they are in use, so we have to concede the point, period. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Removing images from an article because you don't approve of the subject matter would be a hostile and unwikilike act Personally, I could really give a crap about this person or if the image is ultimately kept. I was merely stating that I'm fine with removing the image from the article if that happened to be the only hold up to deleting it. You can look to many other deletion requests where other have done the exact same thing. At least from what I've seen it's never been treated as hostile, unwikilike, or anything else along those lines. Maybe it would if someone was doing it purely to "decrease the quality of the article", but this deletion request has nothing to do with the Arabic article and I never said it did. I could ultimately careless about the article. I simply don't think the image serves an educational purpose. It's not like Bachounda can't just keep upload the image to Wikipedia and have it included in the article that way if need be anyway. Obviously their different projects, with different goals and standards of inclusion. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since it would appear that there are at least two people from Arabic Wikipedia arguing for keeping these photos, no, I don't think you can properly buck that sentiment to remove the thumbnails from the Arabic Wikipedia article about him, let alone delete them from here, leaving red links in place of the thumbnails. Instead, you'd need to have a discussion on the talk page for the article in question or nominate the article for deletion on Arabic Wikipedia. We do things by consensus on Wikis, so just because you could remove the thumbnails doesn't mean that action would hold, unless you persuaded a consensus to agree with that. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I know I haven't said anything about deleting the images since those people participating in the discussion. Except in response to you going off about it. Really, your the one that has repeatedly brought it up since my original comment. But sure dude, I've been constantly beating the drum about deleting the images from the article and not just responding to you talking about it. Whatever you say. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like you're getting upset. Nothing personal, and I'm sorry if I've misunderstood what you were meaning to get at. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- No worries. I apologize if what I said came off that way though. It's possible we both miss-understood each other. That can happen. But I still appreciate the discussion even if some of it got lost along the way. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like you're getting upset. Nothing personal, and I'm sorry if I've misunderstood what you were meaning to get at. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I know I haven't said anything about deleting the images since those people participating in the discussion. Except in response to you going off about it. Really, your the one that has repeatedly brought it up since my original comment. But sure dude, I've been constantly beating the drum about deleting the images from the article and not just responding to you talking about it. Whatever you say. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since it would appear that there are at least two people from Arabic Wikipedia arguing for keeping these photos, no, I don't think you can properly buck that sentiment to remove the thumbnails from the Arabic Wikipedia article about him, let alone delete them from here, leaving red links in place of the thumbnails. Instead, you'd need to have a discussion on the talk page for the article in question or nominate the article for deletion on Arabic Wikipedia. We do things by consensus on Wikis, so just because you could remove the thumbnails doesn't mean that action would hold, unless you persuaded a consensus to agree with that. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Removing images from an article because you don't approve of the subject matter would be a hostile and unwikilike act Personally, I could really give a crap about this person or if the image is ultimately kept. I was merely stating that I'm fine with removing the image from the article if that happened to be the only hold up to deleting it. You can look to many other deletion requests where other have done the exact same thing. At least from what I've seen it's never been treated as hostile, unwikilike, or anything else along those lines. Maybe it would if someone was doing it purely to "decrease the quality of the article", but this deletion request has nothing to do with the Arabic article and I never said it did. I could ultimately careless about the article. I simply don't think the image serves an educational purpose. It's not like Bachounda can't just keep upload the image to Wikipedia and have it included in the article that way if need be anyway. Obviously their different projects, with different goals and standards of inclusion. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep notable rapper (for MENA), article in arabic wikipedia since January 2019--Nehaoua (talk) 11:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Kept: no valid reason for deletion. --George Chernilevsky talk 12:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
