Commons:Deletion requests/File:1907-ci ildə B.jpg

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File:1907-ci ildə B.jpg

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1907 photograph that appears to have been created in the UK. Possibly public domain but uploader would need to show that they did research and could not find the author. Abzeronow (talk) 00:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Quotation from the Template:PD-UK-Unknown:
This UK artistic or literary work, of which the author is unknown and cannot be ascertained by reasonable enquiry, is in the public domain because it is one of the following:
  • A photograph, which has never previously been made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) and which was taken more than 70 years ago (before 1 January 1954); or
  • A photograph, which was made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) more than 70 years ago (before 1 January 1954); or
An artistic work other than a photograph (e.g. a painting), or a literary work, which was made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) more than 70 years ago (before 1 January 1954).
This photograph of a first of its kind event in England was certainly distributed to the Scouts in the photo and others, which in the United States is considered "publication." So, PD in the U.S. and above PD in the U.K.
Why is this a Deletion Request @Abzeronow? You wrote, "uploader would need to show that they did research and could not find the author." Where are the written guidelines for an "uploader" "to show that they did research"? Please, link to an example of an old photo that shows such research.
 Keep per above. Am I missing something here @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )? Ooligan (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ooligan, The line "cannot be ascertained by reasonable enquiry" means research beyond a web search because the copyright law on this was written before the widespread adoption of the Internet. We also lack a source to establish when this was published. Abzeronow (talk) 16:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reasonable enquiry: Asking for more research beyond Google Image search and Tineye is demanding a higher level of burden of proof than has been required in the past. You can always move the goalposts further no matter what we find, because it is impossible to prove a negative. No matter how many rocks we look under, you can always demand we keep looking under more rocks. I think searching 14 billion images with Tineye and Google meets the due diligence legal requirement of the license as a "reasonable enquiry", and the Precautionary Principle requires positive evidence that the image violates the license. --RAN (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I only just noticed that you did add a source that wasn't there before, which does support publication in the UK from 1907 to 1910. This is good, it helps establish that this may in fact have an unknown author, although why you couldn't have mentioned that you added a source is beyond me. Web searches alone are not sufficient for the simple reason that not all photographic works are on the Internet and for some photographs, identifying information is on the photo itself but in too low a resolution to be legible. And for the record, usually we have a reliable source tell us something has an unknown, untraceable author or the uploader gives us enough information to reasonably determine that a work is in fact anonymous. Abzeronow (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: now a redirect.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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