User talk:Kevin Payravi/Archive/2016

Re: Wikimedia User Group China logo

Hi Kevin – Yes the {{PD-ineligible}} would fit better than the CC license in this case. Many thanks for the notification. :) --Ericmetro (talk) 07:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ericmetro: Done, thank you! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Kevin’s Fusion Reactor

Hello Kevin. I am fascinated by your high school fusion experiment and picture shown here on Wikipedia. I would love if you had some sort of paper that described what you did and how you did it. Things like Fuel source, ignition, power measurements… you know, the things that tell the world how you got it to work and what it does. Can you please post it here. Thank you, George. (I don't have an account yet, sorry). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.209.84.82 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 17 March 2016‎ (UTC) (UTC)

Hi George! Apologies if it wasn't clear from the image’s description, but this fusion reactor was created by a friend of mine named Will Jack. I've updated the image’s description to clarify this. Will wrote up two blog posts detailing on two iterations of his reactor: MK II and MKI III. I hope that helps! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

User page

why was my entire page user/tetrahydrate deleted⁇⁇⁇?

Hi @Tetrahydrate: Your user page wasn't deleted; it’s viewable at the English Wikipedia. You're on the Wikimedia Commons right now, and userpages are not shared between Wikipedia and the Commons. The only things that were deleted were the screenshots from Undertale, since they were screenshots of a copyrighted video game. The Commons is a repository of freely licensed images, and as a result we cannot accept copyrighted content. If you have any more questions, let me know! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Remix of a picture

Dear Kevin, I would like to use your graphic as a motive on t-shirts for corporate sport team. Can I do it free of charge? Best regards, Joanna — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.60.216.126 (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: Responded on Facebook. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 22:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

You incorrectly deleted two of my images

You might have wanted to reach out before deleting two of my images related to Pokemon Go. I am an editor with about 30 years of experience in media. Those images (which I created myself using a tool Nintendo created for that purpose) didn't even come close to violating copyrights. Similar images have been used in news stories around the world in the past week. --Jdmdetroit1 (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Jdmdetroit1: Thanks for contacting me. The issue here is copyright; Nintendo et al. own the copyright to the Pokemon visual in your image. Even if Nintendo provides a way to take a screenshot of the game and share it, that doesn't mean that they are granting you the copyright over their artwork, nor are they granting you the right to share the work under a free license here on the Commons. Taking a screenshot of a copyrighted work counts as a derivative work, and is subject to the copyrights of the original work. Journalists frequently use copyrighted images (including Pokemon Go screenshots) either through some kind of press agreement, and/or under a claim of fair use. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

The use of those images was fair use by any standard. The image was included inside an original image created by me. If I took a photo of a building and that building had a corporate logo on it, would it be deleted from Wikimedia as a copyright violation? Of course not. Earlier, I uploaded a photo of a bicycle. That bicycle is marked with copyrighted logos of its manufacturer. Was that a violation? Again, of course not. The same principle applies here.

I can guarantee you that no journalist using screenshots of Pokemon in the "augmented real world" are first contacting Nintendo for permission to do so. How can I say that? Because I have nearly 30 years’ experience working in newsrooms and I have dealt with issues like this before. With all due respect, your profile identifies you as a 19-year-old computer science student. It doesn't mention any newsroom experience at all. So, when you talk about what "journalists frequently" do, you are really just making a guess based on nothing. When I tell you what journalists do, it’s based on direct experience that dates to a period before you were born. --Jdmdetroit1 (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)jdmdetroit1

@Jdmdetroit1: There is a fundamental misunderstanding on the purpose of the Commons. The Commons serves as a repository of freely licensed images and other media; in other words, we host images that have been licensed in a way that lets anyone use the image for nearly any purpose. As a result, we don't host non-free images, which leads to the point that we don't host media under a claim of fair use. Most (not all) Wikipedia projects do let you upload photos under a claim of fair use, for the purpose of illustrating a subject like Pokemon Go. The Commons doesn't exist to serve that purpose, however.

The point you bring up about taking a photo of a building with a corporate logo is a good one – except in those images, de minimis is a valid argument. In this case, I'd wager that the Pokemon was the image’s focus, main purpose, and proportionally a large part of the image.

I appreciate your expertise in journalism (not so much your dismissal of my argument based on my age), but we're on the Commons, which has its own purpose and set of policies that I am trying to inform you of. I never said journalists are contacting Nintendo first, and I completely agree that no journalist is doing so. Notice the and/or that I mentioned regarding journalists using images, and note that I was not referring solely to Nintendo in this case. (and not that it matters, but I'm 21 – thanks for reminding me to update my age). ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 14:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry that you don't understand that decades of direct experience actually means something and that you apparently think that someone with zero experience in a field can claim to be an expert just because they want to.

I posted those images because I knew that bloggers and small publications were writing about Pokemon GO, but there were no really pertinent images on Wikimedia Commons related to this important cultural phenomenon. So, I generated two images that show what the gameplay looks like. Editorially, they tell something about the story. And because they were intended for editorial and non-commercial use, they do not violate anybody’s copyright. If everybody interpreted copyright law the way you do, a whole lot of journalism would be shut down. Again, I can guarantee that, when news organizations around the world used and distributed photos like this from the NY Times: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/07/12/insider/12-Insider-Pokemon-Photo/12-Insider-Pokemon-Photo-master675.jpg, they didn't send a letter to Nintendo asking for permission.

By denying a right to post images like the ones I have posted, you are forcing bloggers and others to pay for very similar images created by organizations that did not get any more permission than I did.

I really think decisions like this should be made by experienced people with at least some first-hand knowledge of journalism. --Jdmdetroit1 (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)jdmdetroit1

@Jdmdetroit1: You mention that the images are "intended for editorial and non-commercial use". This is the point I'm trying to drive at: the Commons only hosts free images that allow anyone to use the image for nearly any purpose, including commercial use. I understand fair use, and I know that any journalist using a screenshot of Pokemon Go in a news article is doing so under a valid claim of fair use. That’s totally fine, but that is irrelevant here. We're on the Commons, which has its own rules and its own goals. If we want to bring age into this, I have worked on the Commons much longer than you have. We're not an image repository for journalists (as much as they are welcome to use our images); we exist to host freely-licensed images of educational value. Please review Commons:Fair use, which is our official policy that describes that we do not host images under fair use. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 14:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Likewise, the reason I tagged your images as a copyright violation is that you placed them under a license that does allow for commercial use. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 15:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, well… By no standard was that image a copyright violation any more than a photo of the Citgo sign in Boston would be. But you probably know that.

A couple of years ago, I tried to be active here at Wikimedia Commons. I was chased away by abusive comments. It’s clear to me that there is a really awful culture in this organization that treats "newbies" with contempt and tries to maintain the control of a insular group of people who like the opportunity this site gives them to exercise a petty little bit of power and abuse people with impunity. So, you folks look for any kind of nitpicky reason to chase people out. You folks also keep this user-unfriendly so that you can dismiss anyone who doesn't figure out all the byzantine stuff involved with using it.

Two years ago, I apparently created the "wrong kind" of user page. And instead of just explaining that to me and helping me out, Wikimedia’s moderators heaped insults on me. In short, I really, really like what Wikimedia is trying to do. But a lot of the people doing it have the wrong motives and the wrong attitude for this work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdmdetroit1 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Jdmdetroit1: Again, I agree that the image would qualify for fair use for journalistic purposes. But that’s not our purpose here on the Commons; by uploading a copyrighted image under a free license, you do commit a copyright violation, as you cannot license the image on behalf of Nintendo.

I understand the difficulty for new editors to try and get involved on Wikimedia Projects. The projects are complicated and have a countless list of rules and guidelines, and many new editors often do find themselves dealing with editors who aren't patient and/or willing to explain. And that’s a problem, because it drives editors away from the project and created a toxic atmosphere. Perhaps you think I fell under that category – maybe I did, or perhaps I didn't do an effective job of explaining the situation. But would you not say I attempted to offer you a fair explanation of the Commons’ rules, along with links to the relevant policies? My goal is to help you figure out all that byzantine stuff; it is up to you to review it and ask questions about it, rather than dismiss it based on my age or whatever lack of expertise in journalism you see. As hard as it may be to grasp Commons’ policy, it’s just as hard to explain it when a chief argument against my replies has to do with my age. I didn't try to chase you out or be nitpicky. The Commons has a responsibility of ensuring that images here fall into the project’s scope and don't violate copyright. You are absolutely more than welcome to edit and contribute to any Wikimedia project (and I'd encourage you to!), but that also requires the willingness to learn from other editors and review each project’s policies when required. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 15:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

File:Participating Countries WLM 2016.svg

Kevin, I suggest you to colour the entire US map instead of merely Ohio state. --Saqib (talk) 17:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Saqib: The reason I originally colored only Ohio was because only Ohio was participating, and we did not want to confuse anyone by having them think the entire country was participating - but, we have since moved to hosting it nation-wide and I've updated the map accordingly :) Thanks! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Editing pics

Hi I wanted to know if I can edit a pic before posting it for the competition. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcoons (talk • contribs) 01:20, 08 September 2016 (UTC)

Replied via e-mail. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 01:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in the United States

Hi Kevin, I just found out about Wiki loves monuments, and I posted three pictures (I have more) of the Vietnam Veterans Monument in Albany, NY, that I took on my phone. They went to the default "Cultural heritage monuments in the United States." I would like to move the pictures to the existing category of "Monuments and Memorials in Albany, New York" and possibly x-posting in the existing category "Cultural heritage monuments in New York". Could you do this for me, and in the future is there a way for me to move and x-reference them myself? Also, under "Monuments and Memorials in Albany, New York" could there be a sub-category created titled Vietnam Veterans Monument? Again, in the future, would it be possible for me to create sub-categories myself if I think that would be the place for them? Thanks, John White (user name Drbones1950). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbones1950 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 09 September 2016 (UTC)

Replied via e-mail. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 01:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Florida

Hi Kevin, I just wanted to point out that "Florida" is unambiguous and does not need "(U.S. state)". So Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in Florida (U.S. state) should be moved to Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in Florida and the corresponding labs page should be updated to have Florida use the correct category. Also, I notice you've been updating the arg passed to {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2016}} to include the state; will this be corrected in the upload tool eventually? Must be tedious to do all that for every uploaded image (semi-)manually. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @King of Hearts: Good catch, thanks! I'll take care of the category. IIRC, I chose to disambiguate it for consistency reasons, due to Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Florida belonging to Uruguay - but I don't think I actually checked whether Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in Florida was already in use. As for the template arguments, I'm working with the international team to come up with an alternate solution to my recent changes clogging sprees. Thank you! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe that the U.S. state is widely accepted as the primary topic; c.f. Commons, English Wikipedia, and even the Spanish Wikipedia. So the Uruguay category ought to have parentheses while the U.S. state can stand alone at Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Florida. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

@King of Hearts: Great, thanks - I've fixed the "Images from..." category. Will take a look at the "Cultural heritage..." ones when I get the chance. Cheers, ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 05:40, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Another issue - could you please remove Category:National Register of Historic Places from the categories automatically added to photos uploaded using http://tools.wmflabs.org/wlm-us/? Along with {{NRHP}} (which puts it in Category:National Register of Historic Places with known IDs) it's resulting in overcategorization, causing users to have to remove it. Thanks. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:59, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

@King of Hearts:  Done and thanks; I'll have some time in the next few days to also help with cleanup. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in the United States

Kevin, Nikikana, Addis, thank you for your effort in organizing this contest. It has provided some good images in the past. It has, however, also provided some embarrassments -- while the instructions on photographing copyrighted works on the subject page are good, the US rules have a variety of twists that are no always obvious and many newbies simply don't believe that, for example, the Korean War Veterans Memorial is under copyright.

Therefore, I suggest strongly that before you announce the winners, you have one or more experienced Commons Admins look over the ten images to ensure that they are all, in fact properly licensed. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Jameslwoodward: Thanks for the great suggestion! I am (to the best of my self-diagnosing knowledge) familiar with our freedom of panorama laws and am slowly marking copyvios as they come in, but we can definitely get at least one pair of outside administrator eyes when it comes down to the finalists. Would you by chance be interested in being one of those pairs of eyes? ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 13:44, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure. BTW, I noted the comment from Drbones1950 above on the monument in Albany and have just put a DR on his images -- different sculptor from the monument in DC, but the same reasoning applies. See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Albany Vietnam Veteran Memorial.jpg. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:07, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jameslwoodward: Great catch - and thanks! I'll be sure to reach out to you when the time comes. If you also know of any other administrators who are knowledgeable in the area, do feel free to recommend them. Thanks, ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 05:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Category:Ohio Historical Markers with known IDs

You have moved this category, but you haven't emptied it. This work can't be done by Bot, because this category depends on templates. Fix it, please. Wieralee (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Wieralee: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the category is empty (see file's categories and what links here). I've assumed that the category is showing up as non-empty due to cache, so I've been waiting for the cache to update. Thanks, ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• I see a File:Shrum Mound 1 70000490.jpg there... Wieralee (talk) 17:56, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

@Wieralee: When categorizing through templates, sometimes changes to categories take some time to reflect. See this section for some more details. I'll take a closer look, but I'm almost positive that it's a caching issue that will resolve itself soon. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 18:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Posting the "Worlds Children Peace Monument" in WIKI LOVES MONUMENTS

Hi Kevin, I posted the Worlds Children Peace Monument located in Berea, Ohio in Wiki Loves Monuments. But I think I did something wrong because I have been informed that it will/was be deleted. This is a public monument and possible the only one promoted by the State of Ohio, Department of Tourism: http://www.ohio.org/destination/art-exhibitsexhibitions/worlds-children-peace-monument-wcpm I think it is important that it should be listed in Wikipedia because it is the anchor stone of the new coast-to-coast Great American Peace Trail.

As one Ohioan to another, can you help me fix this entry? Or maybe suggest someone who is familiar with Wikipedia rules and regulations to assist in this posting? This WCPM topic should not be deleted just because the people lack know how to do it correctly.

I know your time is important to you, but I would like to hear your opinion. Thank You, Renate Jakupca Kommunityingrid

(personal email: rjakupca@sbcglobal.net) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kommunityingrid (talk • contribs) 14:13, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Kommunityingrid: Sorry to hear about the troubles! I see two concerns regarding the images you uploaded:

• With files such as File:OHIO_Recognizes_The_ARK_in_Berea.jpg and File:Map of the ARK in Berea.jpg, it appears you're taking works that others have created and uploading them to the Commons. Since the Commons only accepts freely licensed media, you cannot take others' work and release it under a free license without permission.
• If you did take some of the photos (such as File:ARK in Berea Historical Marker.jpg), the issue here is that the photo is of a copyrighted work. Ohio Historical Markers that were erected in or after 1978 are copyrighted, so most photos of them cannot be released under a free license.

Let me know if you have any questions or if I can help in any way. ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Wlm 2016

Thank you very much for your message! With many greetings from Germany, Barbara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naturliebhaberin (talk • contribs) 14:37, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

@Naturliebhaberin: No problem - thank you for participating! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Please, do delete these images. I did not know they are copyrighted Ohio Historical Markers from 2003.

   File:Malabar Farm 02.jpg
   File:Malabar Farm 03.jpg
   File:Over-the-Rhine Historic District 30.jpg

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Niagara66 (talk) Niagara66

@Niagara66: No problem! Copyright with these things can be tricky. They'll be deleted in time, no worries. Thanks, ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 22:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

kevin payravi

HI Kevin my name nyquan chestnut I'M new at this web site can you tell me about this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zyquez (talk • contribs) 17:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

i love food Zyquez (talk) 17:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

renaming photo file

Kevin, your instructions for renaming my photo were quite clear, but when I went to the Edit page, I did not see anything like "==Summary==line." Melissa Stewart — Preceding unsigned comment added by MelissaMStewart (talk • contribs) 00:36, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@MelissaMStewart: Hi there! My bad - the line you should look for is =={{int:filedesc}}==. Let me know if you run into something! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

how are the users notified if their photo wins something

I'm referring to the wiki loves monuments contest. Also is there a way to know how many views a submitted photo has?

Thanks Rebecaluvsbirds (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Rebecaluvsbirds: We will be leaving a message on a user's talk page, as well as emailing them. I've also updated our information on the event page with these details. Thanks! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 03:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Adding updated photos and information to Wikipeda

Kevin, I have discovered two entries for the monuments contest with great photos however, they are ten years old. In addition there is no actual data about these two items. I would like to submit both sets of photographs for each entry and the extra data. Can this been done and still win the contest?

Thank you. Patricia (Dallas, TX) — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2602:306:CFBC:6D80:F53C:985:AA88:2457 (talk) 15:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Patricia! Regarding the dates of the photos: photos for the contest can be taken at any time, they just need to be uploaded to the Commons during the month of September.

Could you provide a bit more detail on what you'd like to do? If you are interested in adding details to the existing entries, feel free to edit the file pages and add information! The photos (and their original uploaders) would be eligible for the contest.

Otherwise, if you are interested in uploading your own photos featuring those particular sites, feel free to! We accept multiple photos of the same site. Thanks, ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 03:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Historic sites for WLM

Thanks, but I'm not interested; I contribute images regardless of the season, so it's not as if I'm particularly doing it because of WLM. Nyttend (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Fair enough - thanks! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Identity confirmation

Kevin,

I have received your email about the copyright release of Washington_Monument_by_JDO.jpg a picture taken by myself and uploaded to the Wikimedia commons by myself.

I have sent an email generated by the OTRS. However it does not ask for ID or any form of identification. Should I send another email for that?

I do have an email account from my school, but it is not linked to my Wikimedia account. How can I use it to validate my identity?

Thanks,

Julian Diaz — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.251.217.166 (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Julian - thank you for the quick response! You may send another email for that - you may attach a photo, and please mention the file name. Let me know if you have any other questions! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 19:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in the United States – Results!

This user participated in Wiki Loves Monuments 2016.

Want to show your participation in Wiki Loves Monuments 2016? Add {{User Wiki Loves Monuments 2016}} to your userpage!

Thank you for contributing to Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in the United States during the month of October! The United States contest saw over 1,700 people contribute over 11,000 great photos of cultural and historic sites from all over the United States and its territories. In addition to National Register of Historic Places sites, we welcomed uploads of sites designated by state- and local-level historical institutions and societies. Hundreds of these photos are already being used to illustrate Wikipedia articles!

We're excited to announce that our national judging process has concluded, and that we have selected the winners of Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 in the United States! We were amazed by all of the uploads, and regret having to narrow it down to just 10. That being said – congratulations to our national winners and their amazing shots! Our 10 winners will be sent to the international Wiki Loves Monuments jury, who will then select the winners of the international contest. If you're interested in seeing the winners of the other various national contests as they are announced, you may do so at Wiki Loves Monuments 2016 winners.

Finally, we have also created a feedback form for all participants in the United States to fill out. The survey is optional and anonymous, and only takes a minute or two – we hope to use the feedback to organize better events in the future!

Once again, thank you for participating in Wiki Loves Monuments 2016, and we hope to see you again for future Commons photography events! ~Kevin Payravi (talk) 06:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please, delete the following photos:

Malabar Farm 02.jpg Malabar Farm 03.jpg Over-the-Rhine Historic District 30.jpg

I didn't know there was a problem. Sorry for the trouble!

Niagara66 (talk) 11:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC) Niagara66