User talk:Huntster/Archive 13

Page of Emily

Hi, Hunster! At last I found the time to open the page for Emily in ru-wiki and of course want it to be better than existing ones )). As usually, license problems arise...

1. This nice photo is explicitely protected at this page in favour of WB. From your experience at Commons: did anybody try to obtain the permission from Warner Brothers )) I understand that the perspectives are misty, but anyway?
2. I've already extracted Emily's signature to be placed in her infobox. The source is from her Twitter. Is it legal to do it provided I write this link as the source and write Emily as the author?

Thank you in advance! Cherurbino (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino:

1) I have no knowledge of anyone seeking permission from Warner Brothers.

2) For signatures, see Commons:When to use the PD-signature tag. There's some exceptions, but signatures generally fall under {{PD-signature}}. However, are we sure that's her signature, or just how she prints her name? Don't want to be misleading to users. Sorry I couldn't respond earlier, had outpatient surgery today. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Huntster:

1. It's a pity, but I expected it. I have printed a link to this photo in the ru-wiki article as the "external image"; hope this tool does not conflict with the rules.
2. 1. Re: are we sure that's her signature, or just how she prints her name — Highly likely: a) the inscription on the photo that Emily just printed on the office color printer is a type of standard signed dedication inscribed on the personal photos presented to somebody: short wish («AMA») +date +signature. The arrow replaces 'this is me', and the addressées of her souvenir are all subscribers of her twitter. b) elakdawalla is a signature with the 1st letter of her name (e), not a mere name like lakdawalla.
   2. Re: had outpatient surgery today — it's great! Now I know whom to call to heal me after our colleagues from en-wiki shall some time stab me with their steely knives for my annoying boredom. However today my perseverance (in lowercase) has brought a positive result in the tech section of the 'Village Pump': after the week of discussions the untrivial solution was found! I am happy)) and have already introduced the hack I obtained there in one of my articles.

— Cherurbino (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino:

1) Yes, I think that way of linking will work nicely. One or two of those in an article is fine so long as the link isn't providing copyright violations, but try to keep uses reasonably minimal.

2a) If you feel it is an actual signature, then there should be no issue.

2b) That's good to see, coordinates can be highly tricky to implement properly. As Primehunter stated, different projects implement coordinates in different ways, which can be utterly frustrating. Glad you found a solution to your problem. But should you need healing in the future, I shall pull out the admin mop and cast healing word on you! — Huntster (t @ c) 04:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

)))))))))))))

See my request below. I continue to widen the scope of media uploaded to Commons). You can't beleive, but this action was also 'inspired' by Emily )). Cherurbino (talk) 11:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Improving exisiting DPLA images

Hello Huntster. The DPLA bot uploaded thousands of interesting, but poorly processed NASA-images such as this one File:STS040-203-032 - STS-040 - DPLA - 49925768f368e19097c280607cbdbb20.jpg. I can re-process these pretty quickly to significant improvement, as it was simply improperly done during the initial digitization. What would be best practice for uploading this improved image? Should I replace this image uploaded by the DPLA bot, or should I upload a separate image to keep the DPLA image intact? The content of the image would not be changed; lightning, colors, contrast would be improved and borders would be cropped. Thank you for your input. --Askeuhd (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Askeuhd, as much as I hate unnecessary duplication, it is requested that a copy be uploaded under a different filename since the enhancements would be rather non-trivial. Just link the original and new images together with {{Otherversion}}. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I will do so. --Askeuhd (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Changing from 7 to 8

Can you change 7 to 8 on Falcon 9 Flight 127 and Falcon 9 Flight 128, please? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2607:FEA8:D561:3500:4908:7E98:3884:C605 (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you change Falcon 9 Flight 128 landing to Falcon 9 Flight 127 landing, please?

Can you change Launch of Falcon 9 Flight 128 to Launch of Falcon 9 Flight 127, please? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2607:FEA8:D561:3500:4908:7E98:3884:C605 (talk) 23:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you change Preflight checks of Falcon 9 Flight 128 to Preflight checks of Falcon 9 Flight 127, please?

Can you change Rollout of Falcon 9 Flight 128 to Rollout of Falcon 9 Flight 127, please?

Can you change Static fire test of Falcon 9 Flight 128 to Static fire test of Falcon 9 Flight 127, please? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2607:FEA8:D561:3500:4908:7E98:3884:C605 (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Please stop spamming my talk page and exercise patience. I'm aware that the subcategories need to match the parent category. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Why are you disturbing Huntster it's in tolerable Chinakpradhan (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation sample

Here it is: File:En-us-Jezero.ogg. I wrote about the circumstances of appearance of this sample on the description page, disclosing two links, this and this.

1. License. I took the same cc-by-sa-3.0, as was provided by uploader (somebody Khamar) for Emily's voice File:Emily Lakdawalla Voice.ogg. If I was wrong I kindly ask you to help me in finding proper tag.
2. Cropping. This is a raw file; I shall not use it anywhere until somebody shall crop out only whe word 'Jezero'. It is pronounced 6 times, so it's a job for the native speaker to choose the best version)). I kindly ask you to help me in finding such a collaborator who shall reload the cropped version.
3. Category renaming. Whether the sample for Jezero shall live at Commons, or not, I consider necessary - for the future - to rename the category "English pronunciation of the names of planets" to something like "English pronunciation of the names of astronomic objects"

With best regards, Cherurbino (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Today at Village pump I placed - at first the proposal, and some time later converted it into the request to add missing fields to the 'crater' infobox template (including the field for the pronunciation sample). By Sunday evening nobody showed any reaction - may be I had to go directly to techicians instead? Cherurbino (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, I'm so sorry for the delay in responding...I had opened my talk page at work, then got caught up in actual work, so the notification reminder disappeared. Anyway:

1. I'm quite concerned about applying a license to something based on something else that has no relation. To be blunt, since the voice is not Emily's, and neither she nor Katherine Sredl explicitly released the recording under any kind of free license, I simply do not see any way this file can exist on Commons.
2. The above notwithstanding, I would suggest the second instance of her saying "Jezero" would be the best instance. I can crop and lightly edit sound files as easily as image files, so if a freely licensed recording can be obtained, I can work on it (if needed). As for speakers, perhaps the best avenue would be to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia for a volunteer to record something. You could also potentially look in Category:Croatian Wikipedians for active users to ask personally. Worst comes to worst, I could potentially record something, but it would be Croatian with an American accent, lol.
3. I would not rename that particular category, since it is part of an existing structure. Instead, the file would best be placed in Pronunciation of words relating to astronomy.
4. I see the request was moved to Template talk:Infobox crater, which I agree is the best place for it. If there are no objections in a week (let's give people time to react, if any are watching), please remind me and I can work on implementing the changes. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Huntster!

Re.: 1. My logic was as folows: I put Emily as the 'author' (owner) because here she declared 'thanks to Katherine Sredl for recording the correct pronunciation for me' thus positioning herself as the legal posessor of smth (here: tape record) made at her request and transferred to her. Also, Emily credited Katerine only for the work, but not as the continuing owner (like in formula 'NASA/JPL/3rd person'). Finally, Emily published the record in her article, at her signature - that's why she appears in my attribution as the 'author'.

The free license was chosen basing upon the precedent with the Emily's voice record (File:Emily Lakdawalla Voice.ogg) for which Khamar chooses this license and writes himself (!) as an author meaning that he posesses this record on the legal grounds.

I'm sorry if this logic may not work; if so, then I shall ask you to delete my 'OGG' at my request explicitly written hereabove.

Moreover, I began to doubt the accent of Sredl which is apparently not American. She is likely of Slavonian origin, although at the end of the record she murmurs smth in a third language resembling Spanish (word 'mismo'). That's why Spredl's sample is not fully suitable for the en-wiki where the people expect to hear American voice (since I begin the file name with the EN-US descriptor).

In the ideal, the best actor could be the German woman. She shall definitely read the first syllable in „Jezero” as in „Jedem das Seine”. What she needs is to pronounce last „-ro” with the soft anglo-american „-r”. (As for the male voices they are considered less appropriate everywhere starting from radio communications) Cherurbino (talk) 09:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, I see. Unfortunately while I understand the logic, it is not legally sound. It is like saying you own the copyright to an image because you asked someone to take a photograph for you. The photographer would still own copyright to that image, not you, unless proof was available that the copyright had been legally transferred. We do not have that here. Remember that possession of an object does not necessarily equal holding the rights to that object. You could reach out to Sredl and, if they agreed, they could send a statement agreeing to a free license for this file to COM:VRT. It's an option if you wish to exercise it.

As for the original recording by Emily, that too is suspect because what evidence do we have that Emily agreed to the given license? I'm going to nominate it and give the original uploader a chance to provide input.

Regarding the accent, I would remind that it is the English Wikipedia, not the American English Wikipedia, and we should not be trying to cater to that one demographic. So long as it is in English, there is no problem. A native speaker providing the recording lends authenticity, which should be highly valued.

On another note, I hope you don't view my stringent critique of licensing issues as any kind of personal attack on you. While people sometimes do take it that way, I assure it is simply a matter of principle, of upholding our legal obligations. Take care. — Huntster (t @ c) 13:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

You wrote the word I did not write. However I keep it in mind from the very start of our conversations. This word is "photograph" )). I postpone asking you a question about one old photo up to better times. Later, not now.

Re: present OGV 'Jezero': now I'm totally convinced I have do delete it. No further work upon it. Your solution - to find another speaker - is better.

Re: personal attack ))) oh no, it is unrelevant to our discussions. Everything is allright )).

Now I shall go and find the deletion template. Cherurbino (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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I hanged the template onto File:En-us-Jezero.ogg and created a subpage, yet system says the request is incomplete. What should be my further actions? Cherurbino (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, yeah there are several steps to nominating. I hate the manual process. If you would do this: Go to your Preferences, click the Gadgets tab, search for "AjaxQuickDelete" and "Quick Delete" and make sure they are both checked, then click Save. These should add some options to the "tools" box on the left of your screen when looking at images. (Also, look through the other gadgets and see if any of them look like something you'd want to use, they are quite handy.) In the future, you can simply click "Nominate for Deletion" on an image to send it through the discussion process, or "Report Copyright Violation" to request a speedy deletion. In the meantime, I'll handle your immediate request. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I saw it (as well as my mistake with filename pagagraph above). I slowed down my work significantly due to the technical obstacles which suddenly arose after Oct., 24 with saving my records (login is valid, but the engine doesn't find my token and asks to re-login. I've posted the request at ru-wiki's forum; now they are trying to resolve the issue). The centralized login at Commons has not been affected by now (recently I uploaded a rare NASA's photo from GAO's site) so I consider the problem to be local, not global. Btw, in these days Chinapradkhan on his own initiative, provided me a great assistance by performing a number of actualizing edits in ru-wiki in my absence, so I must thank him separately )). Cherurbino (talk) 09:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Huntster! I have a hypothesis about the uploader's source of Emily's voice sample. Besides other virtues, she is the radio journalist! She was a regular contributor to the (Planetary Radio) - the sample was likely cut out from there!

Just for fun and for your relaxation: for Emily's biographer Cherurbino Internet stores not only samples of his voice, but of his screenplay as well! Open this link at youtube and scroll to time=00:59:28 (Wikipedia prohibits the usage of the 'youtu.be' alias which eases finding necessary time with '?t=3568' argument. It was 10 years ago, in 2011 when my friend, an amateur film director and screenwriter invited me to impersonate the vice-governor in a small episode. The project was low-budget ($8500), privately sponsored with a protagonist. The episode where he comes to my cabinet was chosen as the cover picture for the youtube publication. When I saw the photo of Teddy Tzanetos from NASA/JPL for the first time, I was amazed at their external similarity.

One of my conditions was not to include my name in the film credits: roleplaying has never been the best record for my curriculum vitae)). Does not fit in. Now when I am retired, I can allow myself to unclassify some of details )). Therefore the words I wrote above about the 'actor choice' for the record of "Jezero" were not accidental: besides filmshooting I also helped my friend with voice post-recording. Not in technical sence, but as the stage director who makes actors to speak in appropriate mood. I also insisted on the proper translation of the film title into English: "Brave tomorrow" (instead of "Wonderful tomorrow" proposed by Google for "Prekrasnoye zavtra") Cherurbino (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, it's very possible that it was taken from Planetary Radio, nice catch. That's pretty neat that you've been in film, but I understand not wanting to claim a credit. It certainly puts your view on the desired voice into perspective. And I don't disagree...a female voice is almost universally more accepted than a male voice. I suspect it is something psychological, relating to a child's attachment to a mother's voice. — Huntster (t @ c) 08:26, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Self-built and drawn charts

Hi, Huntster! I'm awfully )) sorry but I need again to take some time from you. At 'VP/Copyright' the keyword 'diagrams' returns only the issues of imported charts while this one (File:Perseverance route elevation profile sols 1–239.png) is drawn by me from the scratch and up to this time nobody at NASA drew such an illustration. Questions:

1. If NASA is not the owner then in what words and phrases shall I "thank" them for publishing the source data at this site
2. I know the word "derivative work" but I don't know whether the "PD-own" is applicable here, and if not then what tag shall I use?

As usual, I don't publish this file anywhere until I resolve all my uncertainties about its license and description. Thank you in advance, Cherurbino (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, since you've simply taken data and charted it out, then what you have now is fine. Pure data is not copyrightable, and it wouldn't be anyway since it was produced by NASA. If you really want to credit NASA/JPL, then perhaps a credit line of "Cherurbino, using data by NASA/JPL" would be okay. The license can be whatever you are comfortable with, since you are taking public domain material and transforming it into an entirely new work. — Huntster (t @ c) 21:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Huntster, thank you for another encouragement. My version of credits shall be more modest; no cherurbinos )), only "Source credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech + link). Is it appropriate? Cherurbino (talk) 19:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, if that is how you wish the image to be credited, then that is absolutely okay. However, in that case, you may want to consider simply using the PD-NASA license and template. However, the choice is absolutely yours. — Huntster (t @ c) 21:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

NASA’s duplicates

Bad luck is dugging me around. Two days spent in vain. I started to write the article which exists and yesterday downloaded here the photo which lives and flourishes at Commons as early as from February 2019. I'm angry with myself. I can't explain what letters I printed into the search box at en-wiki so that I've got a zero query about the existing article. I'm also angry with NASA for publishing in different storages the same photo, of the same dimensions and format, but of different filesize. The only whom I don't blame is Commons ))) I understand that technically it was impossible to warn me that the file I uploaded was a duplicate. This the twin pair I mean:

• File:Vandi Verma.jpg — an old version of February 2019, 3872×2592 (2.15 MB)
• File:Vandi Verma (PIA24724).jpg — my yesterday's upload, 3872×2592 (1.08 MB) — note the 2 times difference in sizes of files!

My firm intention now is to delete my file 'at the uploaders' request. (another training in manual hanging of template is also a good occupation). However I know that as an administrator you have the capabilities of merging two uploads. That's why I write here instead of running to the deletion section. Reasons for merging could be a) to keep my version of name with PIA, two times less in filesize. So please follow the sequence of actions you consider optimal. — Cherurbino (talk) 11:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, thanks for bringing this up. I decided to delete yours, but only because the other image is already in use. Less intrusive and disruptive this way. I've merged all the description page material together.

This is prime example of why it's so important to include the NASA ID somewhere, preferably in the title and by using the {{NASA-image}} template. Also remember you can use {{Duplicate}} for situations like these, or {{SDG7}} for situations where you need to delete something you only recently uploaded. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Hunster, for the assistance. Everything is allright; I don't have anything special in favour of the particular file version I've uploaded. One last question: why didn't you delete the remainders )) of my my deleted upload? I mean, why you converted it to redirect (although it has no external links) instead of deleting it forever? The latter could allow you to use the name with PIA = actually, to rename the old file to a 'more correct' name which could help to avoid such ambigous cases for the future (it's only my personal IMHO). Cherurbino (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Cherurbino, redirects harm nothing and actually do assist in searching. For example, searching for the ID finds not only the ID in the template but also the ID in the redirect title, which automatically links to the actual image. — Huntster (t @ c) 20:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Huntster, I meant not the 'harm', but the 'lost profit' of simultaneous renaming the old file - but renaming supposes the deletion of that redirect.

+++ the post above (to avoid necessity to start editing again). I don't hurry with its publishing: I showed it to Phil Stooke at NSF and asked from him an additional info which may enhance the chart by coloring the main line in different colors, corresponding to the so-called 'sites' which are the subdivisions of the rover's route. Yesterday following my request he published a wonderful manual which shall be very helpul in writing the description to the chart. After that my chart shall be really unique! Cherurbino (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

That's great that he was able to do that for you. I look forward to seeing the results.

Question for you though: I happened across File:RPS for the Curiosity Rover.png, and while trying to see if a higher resolution version was available, I found it at File:MMRTG after fit check with Curiosity from angular above.jpg. If you have no objections, I would like to merge your file into the already existing one. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow, it's a great discovery, with such fine resolution! Of course, I have no objections. Merge it )). Cherurbino (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)!