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15:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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Flag of the RVNMF during Diem's era

I made two images for the flag of RVNMF in Ngo Dinh Diem's era (cf. File:Flag of the RVNMF (1955–1965).svg), as I saw some sources shown that the flag kept similarity to that of the Vietnamese National Army. It would be nice if you can made further improvement based on better sources. Regards. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 09:57, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Great Brightstar: , well other than "https://web.archive.org/web/20140625114830/https://www.ttxva.net/bieu-trung-viet-nam/" (which you used) not at the moment. Also I suck at editing SVG files. So I installed Inkscape on Goran tek-en's advice and it's great, I make a flag and later realise that I need to replace some elements... I can't because for whatever reason I cannot open existing SVG files unless they were first created by Inkscape and I didn't sign out of my wife's laptop. In other words, I have no idea how to open and edit already existing SVG files using Inkscape, I've Ecosiad how to use it but haven't been able to find any way. Any advice? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Also, I'm not sure if it's wise to ask me to improve flags, I tried to draw a complicated one using Inkscape and even asked Goran tek-en to make a golden Chinese (Vietnamese-style) dragon so I can make a good Cochinchinese military flag, the result was this, which I am not sure if I want to let Wikipedia's readers suffer through. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:06, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Take easy, if you want to fix something wrong, you can remove some elements, then put new one to replace. --Great Brightstar (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
@Great Brightstar: , unfortunately I can't, I cannot open existing SVG files, for example I want to replace the elements of this flag with the content from "File:Car flag of Bảo Đại, Emperor of Annam (1926-1945).svg", but Inkscape doesn't let me open either. I can only import it to a new file with different dimensions. Perhaps I should look for another SVG editing tool but all the ones I can find are paid and until I can invest more time in learning to use these properly (likely after I will buy my own laptop 💻) I am not willing to buy one. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Note that the blue dragon flags are fine, but I really can't seem to edit the green dragon ones as this pennon looks more like the source image, if I knew of its existence at the time of me making the original flag I would have used its elements, but at this point I don't know how to edit without screwing up the dimensions you fixed. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
In Inkscape, you can click Object → Object from menu bar, which will open the Object panel that allows to select any element you want to modify, in addition, you can click Edit → XML Editor to open the XML Editor panel to modify any element you are selected. --Great Brightstar (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Chocolate Emperor

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC) .

Vietnamese flag proposals

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Vietnamese flag proposals

Inlcuding flag proposals than none other than our boi Ngọc Giao, quote: "Mẫu thiết kế của tác giả Ngọc Giao, biến thể từ cờ long tinh của triều Nguyễn. (mời xem thêm : Tìm lại những lá cờ hoàng thất xưa tại Việt Nam). Mã màu : #EF4135, #FFFF00, #38ACEC.". Unlikely to be worthy to be included in the Wikipedia list article, going over them all in the meantime. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Look for an archived version

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Cut out the creative serrated ribbon

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC) .

Swiss Natona token coin to photograph

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Sceau du Dê Thám

Add it here.

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Swiss Natona token coin to photograph
(OLD).

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC) .

Sceau du Dê Thám
(OLD.).

Add it here.

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Cộng Đồng Việt Nam Tỵ Nạn Cộng Sản Tại Hòa Lan
(OLD.).

Ask them to donate old images and documents to Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC) .

Make a Dejiao flag




--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC) .

Flags to create


--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC) .

Musée Annam

I think our friend Musée Annam is back. LX | Talk 12:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

  • @Lệ Xuân: , saw it from day 1 (one), I was waiting for him to either start being disruptive again or mass upload copyright © violations. After his block I'm planning on nominating the post-1948 photographs for deletion, but usually he uploads a number of valuable free images so I usually patrol his uploads and only report him once he's actively disruptive. A lot of the time he actually manages to find some accurate obscure flags that aren't always on the internet so I usually opt to patrol him like a sockvolture rather than go for the kill like a sockhunter. He saves and causes me a lot of work... --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
    • @Lệ Xuân: , my biggest issue with the Musée Annam Sockfarm is that Ngọc Gao basically never attributes an image correctly, it is like his is incapable of sourcing anything properly, he often tags image sources as "© MADE-UP ARCHIVE NAME" and does this for every image per account, a lot of the time he uploads real, actual public domain content but he doesn't source them properly. With flags and emblems he basically tags the web page he steals them from and lists them as "Own work", sometimes he does make own works (as he appears to be a skilled graphic artist 🎨) but will then tag them as being imported from a page it is not making them look like copyright © violations. I just don't get how anyone could be so incredibly daft as him, especially since they've been active here for over a decade. But as they do manage to actually find valuable images nobody else is finding and as he actually does make high quality files nobody else is making is I see him as "a necessary evil". I'm actually talking to some people that used to interact with him, often they praise him... Anyhow, his research skills aren't as good as he makes them out to be, I would describe his strategy as "Throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks" and he naively imports literally any claim but gets mad if he sees anyone else actually import sourced claims. But then again, my biggest issue with his uploads is that he almost never provides sources, alright so you based this flag on a photograph from Manhhai, where did you get the dates from? He never provides any basic sources to back up his claims, this is why Wikipedia was "at war with" a 100% (one-hundred percent) historically accurate French Cochinchinese flag and kept deleting it on sight around a dozen times because he never provided even a single source, I even got it undeleted with the presumption that it's a misattributed fantasy and at the time admins were less belligerent against those. He is his own worst enemy. The main reason people delete his content is because he is sloppy, not because he is bad at finding high quality free educational content and creating high quality images. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:02, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
    I found him by chance after seeing him (using IP) add this text passage to the Lý Dynasty article. The text as a whole is really badly written, placed in the wrong section, and does not match any other adjacent text. Also, I don't really understand the intent behind adding text with such information to an encyclopedic article. It's really weird to see someone who has been on Wikipedia almost continuously for over a decade still doesn't know how to properly write an article. I also doubt whether he can speak any other languages besides Vietnamese. Aside from English, I've seen him write French text, but probably using Google Translate as well as the texts are really, really badly written. --LX | Talk 14:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

"Gold was the original of happiness and bitterness in Annam about X-XIV centuries. When it was plentiful, so Annam became the largest slave market of Indochinese peninsula ; but when it becoming exhausted, the country retrograded quickly and was destroyed by Ming dynasty. Liam Kelley told about Vermont' sheeps to describe that situation. Gold made Annamese kings to pay Song dynasty expensivest tributes. By Trần Quang Đức's research, Song dynasty's officers usually complained the court that, many "unconscionable" brokers in Liangguang tricked Chinese ones to sell as slaves. Those "slaves" must toiled at Annamese gold-mines, even they was killed for the worship gods. Chinese mandarins also said, ducks at South border swam into Annam to look food, their dung had gold. Gold made Annamese people to sew it into clothes, emperor Lý Cao Tông had to forbid in 1182. However, in comparison with Sinophere's countries (even China), all of Annamese palaces, pagodas, houses, costumes... were at the most luxurious. By classical annals of Annam, king Lê Hoàn had asked to built his palace with gold-inlaid tiles and columns in 984." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

@Lệ Xuân: , this is where I noticed his return, it rarely happens that I don't notice his return at least one (1) day after his first edits, my only issue is that he always leaves such a mess at his uploads. Like the above hilarious section (man, I just can't stop laughing 😂) he often provides us with a source of comedy like the "Annam Digital Library", I am literally still laughing 😂 at that. But you are absolutely right, I have no idea how someone can edit Wikimedia websites for over a decade and still cần't properly source a single sentence they right, it is always like "trust me, I know my shit" but he doesn't, otherwise he would provide references in the footnotes, he sounds like the kind of bloke that would sit around at bars and tell drunken people ultranationalistic stories that they just nod to and never question. There are parts of his MO that most sock hunters haven't noticed (I am genuinely convinced that I am better at sockspotting than most sockhunters, I just don't see the value in reporting users that aren't disruptive). Concerning the translation machines you are quite right, he is also active a lot at the Mandowiki (Zhwiki) and has a knack for translating some of his simple list articles using machine translation. Usually he pretends to be French or Chinese (two peoples that profoundly shaped modern Vietnamese culture and whose languages are necessary to understand old Vietnamese / Annamese primary sources), but I can immediately recognise his French as très mal, my wife is a Latina and I have a Russian ex, his contributions on the language Wikipedia's their nationalities are associated with also aren't of quality. Generally speaking most of the time his contributions that stick are on the Wikimedia Commons, and this is despite him not knowing how to properly source anything, at least with old photographs you can tell they're old, but with claims of fact you need proof. For example all those fantasy flags he uploaded and all those alleged dates of usage he adds, where is he getting this information from? Wikimedia is nothing without its sources and this is the result of his hubris, a lot of people wasting a lot of time. (to be fair, he didn't invent the myth, but he's probably the internet's biggest advocate.) After the whole Gia Long Dragon Star Flag debacle I'm not trusting any of his alleged "sources" that I can't see myself, he sourced another flag with an eBay item... It doesn't appear in the archives, if I can't verify anything he says I have just grown to assume that it's absolute bullshit.

I'm still laughing at the "Annam Digital Library" category, just the kind of mind that thinks of something like that is surely speshul. (SIC) --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

"expensivest", by the way, it is not machine translation, no machine would ever speak English this bad. 😂😂😂 This should be recorded in a book 📙 and stored at the Annam Digital Library. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I swear I keep laughing so hard whenever I see this text 😂. I will probably create a page to store all of these hilarious things that have ever been added to Wikipedia.LX | Talk 20:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
@Lệ Xuân: I'm too. 27.66.47.167 21:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this time Musée Annam is pretending to be Czech. I don't know how he came up with the idea, but I think next time we should pretend we don't know who he is =)) LX | Talk 21:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I will kill him. 27.66.47.167 22:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Lệ Xuân It's will be fun. You don't know him and he doesn't know you. 27.66.47.167 22:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
For additional context the Great Brightstar wasn't even the one that made the dragons green, I requested Goran tek-en to make them blue and then Sodacan designed this one, later he made them green due to conflicting evidence, it actually was Musée Annam's Flickr account that inspired me to make the initial request but he never provided more evidence nor did he ever upload the photographs to the Wikimedia Commons. As usual his only argument is "I know so much, you know so little" despite the Great Brightstar not even being the one that changed the colours of the dragon. He just sees the name and assumes he made it green. At this point I am doubting if I should laugh because it is possible that we're all laughing at a handicapped man... You can add a collection of Musée Annam's funny "bloopers" to a page called the "Annam Digital Library". 🤣🤣🤣 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:00, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Regarding the Czech Republic, yeah it is a country filled with Bananas (Vietnamese people who grew up there, as in "Yellow on the outside, White on the inside"), most of Eastern Europe is, Vietnamese people from the Czech Republic, Poland, Eastern Germany, Slovakia, Russia, Hungary, Etc. tend to generally be from Northern Vietnam and often are the descendants of labourers that came there during Socialist exchanges or are Red Princes and Princesses, they are a contrast to Western European Vietnamese people and those from other non-Socialist countries who tend to be South Vietnamese refugees. It is actually interesting to contrast these different types of Việt kiều. Unlike overseas Chinese and Koreans who are almost universally pro-Communist (for example the North Korean government receives a lot of money from the Zainichi Koreans) there are both pro-Capitalist and pro-Communist Vietnamese overseas and these differences are often regional. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Cộng Đồng Việt Nam Tỵ Nạn Cộng Sản Tại Hòa Lan

Ask them to donate old images and documents to Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Weet je raad?

Hallo Donald Trung, ik vroeg me af of je hier raad mee weet. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 14:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lotje: , excuses voor de late reactie, ik heb nog geen tijd gehad om de tekst te lezen. Ik heb hem voorloppig maar gewoon als een "Boeddhistische monnik" gevscategoriseerd. (Ik had mijn klavier moeten verwisselen). --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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