User talk:DenghiùComm/ Archiv 12 (2019)

Unfortunate category names ("vagina" vs. "vulva")

In the correct meanings of these two words, the vagina is rarely externally visible unless the lips are pulled apart. According to the way these words are usually used on Commons, most images in "Category:Human vaginas in art" should actually be in "Category:Human vulvas in art" (this certainly applies to File:Ishtar vase Louvre AO17000-detail.jpg‎ and other images on my watchlist). It's rather unfortunate that you just went ahead without paying proper attention to what these words really mean... AnonMoos (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: Thank you. I correct the name of the category. Best regards. --DenghiùComm (talk) 19:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: Post scriptum : I used the cat "Human vaginas in art" because it doesn't exist the cat "Vulvas in art". If you think that it's relevant, please create the new category and move the files in it. Thank you. --DenghiùComm (talk) 19:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Antica Roma

Cia' Denghiù. Su Commons non si categorizza per aggettivi di nazinalità salvo eccezioni, e questa non lo è. -- SERGIO ^{(aka the Blackcat)} 22:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Coins_of_Orontes_I_Sakavakyats

Category:Coins_of_Orontes_I_Sakavakyats has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Bad move

Hello! This move is totally inappropriate. Nobody has ever called him "Charles" - see the talk page there! His legal name is "Carl ..." --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: So why all the other Swedish kings are called Charles? Theyr names were certainly Carl or Karl. I think it is important in the names of the categories to have a consistency in the given names. We cannot have three or four different ways of writing the same name. This is the reason of my rename. But I let a redirect. --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

We go by what they are known as. For Swedish kings, Charles VII (actually Charles I) to Charles XV: "Charles". Current king, legal name: Carl. We don't start using a name form that never has been used for a person anywhere else. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:19, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Per un cambio di nome ad una categoria e corrispondente redirect, ha richiesto la revisione / revoca dei miei diritti di filemover qui e aperto una discussione fra gli utenti problematici qui. Pazzesco !! --DenghiùComm (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Categories by name

Hello, DenghiùComm. I noticed that you changed some "by name" categories from using the {{Catcat}} template to using the {{Metacat}} template. Many categories with "by name" in their names are not metacats. Many of the ones you changed are not metacats, so I have been changing them back.

The way to tell if one of these categories is a metacat is to look at the subcategories. If the subcategories are for multiple things with the same name, then it is a metacat. An example of this is Category:Hotels by name. One of the subcategories there is Category:Hotels named Majestic, which is for any and all hotels named "Majestic". An example of a "by name" category that is not a metacat is Category:Women of Italy by name, where each subcategory is for one individual woman.

The same thing is true for some other criteria, including by registration, by title, and some others.

I know this can be confusing, but I hope this helps explain it. Please be careful when working with these categories so that we don't tag categories as metacategories when they really aren't. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Thanks for your explanations. I knew that categories of categories are "catcat", while all other categories by something are "metacats". Is there in Commons a page where all this is explained and fixed? I never heard such distinctions nor rules. Thank you very much. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Auntof6: please can you answer me? I'm not convinced of what you say. Because if this were so, the 90% of the current metacats would not be metacats. Perhaps it needs a category discussion. Thank you. Best regards. --DenghiùComm (talk) 05:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Metacats are explained in two places that I know of. One is at Commons:Naming categories#Categories by CRITERION, where it says "These are special categories which are useful to group other related pages (not media files) according to a given criterion. They hold only other categories and should be marked with {{MetaCat}} template." The other place is the {{MetaCat}} template itself, which says "Use this tag for meta categories only, that should only contain other categories that are grouped by a specified criterion."

The key is the grouping by a criterion. If you look at Category:Buildings by country as an example, each individual subcategory is named "Buildings in <country>" -- each one contains information about buildings that share the same location, namely the indicated country.

If you try to apply that logic to "by name" categories (and a few other "by xxxx" categories such as serial number, registration ID, and maybe others I'm not thinking of right now), you run into a snag. That's because the expression "by name" is used two different ways in Commons categories.

1. One way is the way it's used with the hotels category I mentioned above: each subcategory is for grouping any and all hotels that share the same name. Here, "by name" is a shortcut way of saying "grouped by name". With this, there is a many-to-one correspondence between hotels and name.
2. The other way is the way it's commonly used in English speech: referring to something or someone by using their name instead of in some other way. For example, you can refer to Queen Elizabeth by name by calling her "Queen Elizabeth", or you can refer to in a different way by calling her "Queen of the United Kingdom", "Her Majesty", etc. With this, there is a one-to-one correspondence between "person" and "name".

It's only the categories the first group that group multiple things/people with a shared characteristic: those are metacategories, and the others are not. The prefix "meta" implies that there's something more to a metacategory than just having subcategories, and that "something more" is that the subcategories are groupings, not categories for individual things or people. One clue is to look at the things named in the category name. With "Buildings by country," it's easy to understand that one country would have multiple buildings. With "People by name," it's possible that one could apply to multiple people, but if the subcategories aren't grouped that way, then the parent category is not a metacat. The by-name categories I changed back aren't grouped that way, so they should be tagged with {{Catcat}}, not {{Metacat}}.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I wouldn't object to having a wider discussion about this because it comes up every so often and it would be nice to have something somewhere that spells this out. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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• File:Attilio Pratella - Napoli, Via Caracciolo.jpg

Yours sincerely, 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 05:40, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Long shot

Hi, I know this is a long shot, but perhaps you know if you came across this person in your categorisation of the Nadar photographs? It is marked "unknown person" on this photo, but it is likely he's a doctor (the image is from the Wellcome library collection), and there might just me more photos with an ID from the same session. I can't find anything (there are just too many), but if might just ring a bell with you. I hope you can solve this mystery :) Thanks, -- Deadstar (msg) 19:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can not take care of this thing. I have only categorized the files. To identify the people on the photographs is not my work. Greetings --DenghiùComm (talk) 05:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you anyway! -- Deadstar (msg) 09:45, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Categoria di museo archeologico da visionare

Ciao, mi faresti la cortesia di passare in Category:Museo della centuriazione romana (Borgoricco) per dare un'occhiata alle foto e mettere le categorie mancanti alla bisogna? (sono poche) Grazie :-) --Threecharlie (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Mi sembra tutto a posto. --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:South Tyrol

Ciao, perchè hai annullato le modifiche sulla descrizione in italiano in Category:South Tyrol? I toponimi in lingua tedesca sono presenti nella apposita descrizione. --Afnecors (talk) 08:56, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Afnecors: Ciao. Il mio intervento è dovuto alle seguenti ragioni. 1) Perché in quei luoghi si parla tedesco, per cui la dizione esatta è Bozen e Südtyrol. La dizione / traduzione italiana è stata imposta dopo la prima guerra mondiale e soprattutto sotto il fascismo, ad una popolazione che parla invece il tedesco. 2) Oramai quelle zone fanno parte dell' Italia quindi Bolzano e Alto Adige hanno lo stesso diritto di esistere ed essere presenti nelle nostre categorie. 3) Poiché fra gli utenti attivi in Commons ci sono alcuni particolarmente agguerriti in questo senso che vogliono cancellare la dizione italiana, noi abbiamo avuto anni fa una guerra feroce per arrivare all'attuale equilibrio. Con il tuo intervento apparentemente minimo, insignificante, e banale si rischia invece di scatenare una nuova guerra logorante e sfibrante per tutti che non mi sembra proprio il caso. Tieni presente che per gli Altoatesini di lingua tedesca le dizioni in lingua italiana sono un nervo scoperto, non una questione da poco. Ti invito pertanto ad essere estremamente cauto in tutti i cambiamenti che vuoi fare nei nomi che riguardano l'Alto Adige. Grazie per la collaborazione. --DenghiùComm (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Afnecors: Se ti dovessero interessare i termini di quella sfibrante e tormentata discussione, la trovi qui. --DenghiùComm (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

La provincia autonoma di Bolzano è composta dal 4% di ladini, 26% di italofoni, 70% di germanofoni. Non è affatto vero che "la dizione esatta è Bozen e Südtyrol". O meglio non vi sono endonimi "giusti" o "sbagliati". Lo stesso territorio viene chiamato allo stesso tempo Alto Adige in italiano e Südtirol in tedesco. Quindi perchè nella descrizioni in italiano devono essere messi gli endonimi tedeschi, quando esistono i termini italiani utilizzati da più di un quarto della popolazione della provincia di Bolzano e da tutti gli italofoni? Semplicemente nel template de va la descrizione in tedesco, nel template it la descrizione in italiano: solo buon senso. Inserire termini tedeschi nella descrizione italiana (e pure viceversa) potrebbe invece dar vita ad una "guerra logorante e sfibrante". P.S. Alto Adige era già stato utilizzato da Napoleone (Dipartimento dell'Alto Adige). --Afnecors (talk) 13:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Credo di aver spiegato molto chiaramente i termini della questione. Ti invito nuovamente a non provocare una nuova guerra su Commons. "Parigi val bene una messa", se mi capisci... Se una parolina in meno scatena una editwar... lascia perdere. Per il bene di tutti. Punto. DenghiùComm ( talk) 19:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)]]

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Nuovi diritti e possibilità per i filemover

Mi sembra di averci capito poco e niente di tutto questo ambaradan... --DenghiùComm (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Gedreht

90° gedreht oder nicht?

Moin Denghiu,
ich habe lange nichts mehr von Dir gehört und gelesen, ich hoffe Dir geht es gut.
Eine Frage, diese Bild hat User:SteinsplitterBot gedreht, ist es so richtig? Tschüß -- Ra Boe watt?? 21:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Hallo mein lieber. Ja ich habe es beauftragt es zu drehen. Es ist ein Loch im Boden durch das man die Suspensurae sieht (die kleinen Pilaster oder Säulen in den Römischen Thermal Bäder, die den Boden stützen, damit die warme Luft ihn erheizt). Wenn du schaust, es gibt noch 2 andere Bilder vom selben Raum und der selben Ecke. Mir geht es soweit gut obwohl ich nicht jünger werde. Im Moment habe ich ein totales Chaos zu Hause... bin am ausmisten. Nächsten März ziehe ich endgültig in die Schweiz zurück... nach 65 Jahre in Italien... eine grosse Umstellung...! Hoffe dass es dir gut geht. Habe 'ne schöne Erinnerung an deinen Besuch bei mir mit... (weiss nicht mehr wie er heisst...). Wünsche dir alles Beste. Tschüss, --DenghiùComm (talk) 22:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Moin DenghiùComm, ich war mit User:Pippo-b da.

Alles klar ich wusste es nicht mehr und wollte noch mal sicher gehen. :) Oh Du gehst zurück, in die kalte Schweiz? Ja das wird eine große Umstellung das hätte ich nicht gedacht, ich fand Deine Wahlheimat toll. Ich bekomme schon mit das Italien nicht mehr so ist, wie es noch vor ein paar Jahren war. Ich dachte ich schaffe es noch mal bei Dir vorbei zu kommen, aber vielleicht treffen wir uns mal in der Schweiz. Tschüß -- Ra Boe watt?? 08:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Ja, Pippo natürlich ! Was meine neue Wohnortschaft betrifft, sie befindet sich in der Schweiz aber in unmittelbarer nähe der Grenze zu Como. Also ich werde ein Fuss in Italien behalten. Sobald ich mich eingerichtet habe, kommst mich besuchen. Ok ? Alles Gute mein lieber. DenghiùComm (talk) 07:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Pilone vs colonna....

Ciao, sono rimasto un bel po' perplesso nello scoprire che la Category:Pillars in heraldry è stata creata da dall'Orto; ora non sono certo, ma mi sembra ben strano, che in araldica si identifichi un pilone (pillar) e non una colonna (column), che tra l'altro in en.wiki sono trattati nella stessa voce. Sempre nella mia ignoranza un pilone è un semplice elemento strutturale tecnico, mentre una colonna è un elemento architettonico, ovvero il primo è di ambito tecnico, e il secondo di ambito artistico. Per quel poco che ricordo di impianti e costruzioni una colonna è anche un pilone, un pilone non sempre lo è (vedi un pilone di un ponte autostradale, semplice palo in cemento armato centrifugato. Morale io vedrei meglio la categoria rimontata in Columns in heraldry, @Marcok: tu che sei del ramo che ne pensi?--Threecharlie (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Threecharlie: Dal punto di vista strutturale sono la stessa cosa. Bisognerebbe a mio avviso capire poi se la scelta del termine sia dovuta alla terminologia araldica anglosassone (che ignoro). Quindi sarei prudente nel cambiare nome alla categoria. --Marcok (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)