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Image:COA_of_Israel.svg

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(relisted on July 19th, 2007 --ALE! ¿…? 09:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I don't see any evidence of it being free. Israel was established in 1948 so it must've been designed around that time, although I dunno who the author is, the copyright holder is most likely the Israeli government. Of course before deletion, this image will have to be copied over as fair use to most wikipedias. -- Yonatan talk 09:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of the symbol was Willie Wind, and I vectorized it based on a JPG. The Israeli government adopted it as a public insignia, established by a national law, and as such must probably do not have any copyright. I don't see any evidence of it being copyrighted. --Tonyjeff 12:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't contribute much to this discussion as the copyright laws in Israel is a bit confusing to me. It seems Israel still has State Copyright (in fact Crown Copyright since 1911 under British common law, and adopted in 1948 as State Copyright), so everything the state publishes is copyrighted... The CoA seems to be designed by the brothers Maxim and Gavriel Shamir according to this link in a design contest held by the Provisional Council of State in 1948/49. Whether this gives the copyright to the state council or to the artist, is unclear to me.. --Stigmj 23:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... actually now that I think about it again, Israel might have the same duration of copyright as in countries governed by Crown Copyright. This would mean the coat of arms is in the public domain as crown copyright length is 50 years. However, what I don't know is whether this applies to something created for the state by an individual (although he obviously doesn't own the copyright anymore). Yonatan talk 10:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But what about this passage from en:Crown copyright: "Published Crown copyright material has protection for 50 years from date of publication. Those works protected under Letters Patent have perpetual copyright claimed over them despite being published. Works where copyright is assigned to the Crown by an author are subject to the normal term of protection for that particular type of work, for example life of the author plus 70 years for a literary work." Is the Israelis used the crown copyright and continued with it with the same rules, and the author of the design assigned the copyright to the state, would it not follow the copyright-rules associated with artistic works?? --Stigmj 14:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The tag Template:insignia does not resolve it??? --Tonyjeff 13:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it will resolve anything in this respect as it appears there is a copyright in question.. --Stigmj 14:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, the tag comes in addition to a license tag, not instead of one. It just comes to clarify that there may be restrictions in addition to the copyright ones (like {{Personality rights}} for example). Yonatan talk 14:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm... I'll ask our government. Please don't delete the picture in the mean while. Yonidebest Ω Talk 09:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, a copy has already been uploaded to the Hebrew Wikipedia just in case. Yonatan talk 13:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an issue over the fact that this is vector, whereas the raster is considered low-rez enough to be fair use? Nor, may I presume, is there any debate that is is an unfaithful vectorization? We need some version of the seal; it might as well be vector.--HereToHelp (talk) 00:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a clarification: fair use is not allowed on Commons. --Stigmj 11:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What's worse is that the colours are bad, see vs. , both picstures are definitely not the same. Pitifully, in many Wikipedias it are all already changed, not only the Israel COA, but also Portugal, Argentina and many more. That's not improvement, that's on the border to vandalism. --213.155.224.232 17:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also the new version considers is a copy-vio in the DE:WP. (no fair use possible on commons) --213.155.224.232 17:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
SVG is always a better option, unfortunately not everybody sees it that way. Dantadd✉ 21:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason to avoid the SVG files like 213.155.224.232 is doing. I corrected the blue, I think it is just a matter of time to be updated by the server. The SVG is scalable and editable, being a comunitary piece of work. I think that it should be interesting to question the opposite -- the PNG files, since sites like Flags of the world or Vector Images cannot ensure their accuracy, neither the images there are necessarily the official ones. For instance, the PNG version of Portuguese COA IS WRONG. The shape of the shield, its position over the sphere, the color of the bezants and so. In the other hand, some COAs, like the Argentinian, are not fully standardized by its Government, and so one may find "official" variants here or here, for instance. Why then SHOULD we rely blindly on this version? Who made it, anyway? Many images I´ve vectorized, like the Argentinian, the Palestinian, the Egyptian, the Comoran, the Syrian and the Lybian COAs, were made with the help of other users, trying to get official references, based on what dispose any Law about the design of the specific COA. If some detail needs to be adjusted in one SVG file, it can be easily done, and will be updated in any article that links to it. And about the fair use problem, it is not a matter only to the SVG version of Israeli COA, but either to the PNG one and even maybe to any civic Israeli symbol, including the national flag. --Tonyjeff 23:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question Do we know what the term is for State Copyright in Israel, for works published by the state around 1948 or 1949? We seem to be waiting on that bit of information. The laws I could find define Crown Copyright of fifty years in 1911, but I don't see anything else about state-owned copyright after that date. If it was owned by the government in 1949 (when it was first published, apparently), it would be in the public domain now, unless the duration of state copyright was extended, or unless the original creator retained ownership. I've mailed feedback at mfa.gov.il (the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) asking if they have any information on this. If anyone has other information, please post it--either this work is or is not under copyright, and we should be able to find out which it is. grendel|khan 21:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep The WIPO link above seems fairly clear that Israel is (or at least was, for a long time) still using the Copyright Act 1911 that was in force under the British mandate. Section 18 is quite clear that copyright belongs to "His Majesty" (read "the State of Israel") for works that were "prepared or published by or under the direction or control of His Majesty or any Government department" (my emphasis). As this copyright lasts for fifty years from first publication, it has expired. Physchim62 12:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kept. According to Article 18 of the adopted UK copyright act of 1911. The governments holds a crown copyright of 50 years on its publications and designs. See: http://portal.unesco.org/culture/admin/file_download.php/il_copyright_2005_en.pdf?URL_ID=30293&filename=11419205103il_copyright_2005_en.pdf&filetype=application%2Fpdf&filesize=73824&name=il_copyright_2005_en.pdf&location=user-S/

Finally done. --ALE! ¿…? 08:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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