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File:Flag of the Soviet Union (1955-1980).svg

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Note: now renamed to File:Flag of the Soviet Union (dark version).svg

The changes of 1980 were related only to the reverse side[1]. The shades of red were not revised in 1980, they are simply uncoordinated versions of different users of Commons. In en:Flag of the Soviet Union we can see citation needed request. In Russian Wikipedia template for this flag was removed in 2012, since no information on changing colors in 1980 was found.

Deletion means turning this link into a redirect to File:Flag of the Soviet Union.svg. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep: I think so long as English Wikipedia claims that the shade of red was changed, Commons should keep the corresponding file. This is by analogy with COM:INUSE, which technically applies here (but might reasonably be ignored if the difference between the files were actually insignificant). --bjh21 (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The existence of this file is only a consequence of an mistake in English Wikipedia. In Russian Wikipedia the question was carefully studied, the front side of the flag in 1980 did not change, a separate file for the period from 1955 to 1980 is not needed. The differences between the two files are not due to anything but inconsistency of Commons user actions. Because of this file, the authors have to do additional checking of the correctness of the choice of file flags of articles, and in some articles the files of 1955 and 1980 are side by side, demonstrating a false difference between. I believe that there will be no problems with the COM:INUSE if we make this file redirect to File:Flag of the Soviet Union.svg like it was with File:Flag of the Soviet Union (1938-1980).svg. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 07:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may have mistaken the role of Commons here. Commons is here to host files that other projects require. It is not here to impose its editorial will on other projects. Thus so long as English Wikipedia (and other projects) want to show a change that they allege happened in 1980, Commons should keep the file. It would be explain the situation in the description of the file, and maybe even to change its name (e.g. to File:Flag of the Soviet Union (dark version).svg, but so long as some projects want to show both colours side-by-side, we should host them both. --bjh21 (talk) 11:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, I believe that the idea of a color change in 1980 arose precisely because of the presence of two inconsistent files at the Commons. Existence of a file with a mark "1955-1980" is misleading. The assumption that we are dealing not with confusion, but with the desire to show the differences of the reverse side of the flag using shades of red, seems absurd to me. I just use Occam's razor. One of the two colors is wrong, there is no reason for this option to be present on Wikipedia and on Commons without explicitly indicating its fallacy as it would be for the option with a blue, pink or any other random background. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The colour change was first mentioned in English Wikipedia on 2004-04-09. Commons started on 2004-09-07). Otherwise, you still seem to be misunderstanding Commons' role, but I don't think I can find another way to explain it. --bjh21 (talk) 23:02, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, first of all, I meant the existence of two files with different shades of red, which could mislead the authors of Wikipedia. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 14:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: There was a request to delete this file last year, closed Keep. --bjh21 (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Remove I even included a source on the page from the Russian Centre of Vexillology and Heraldry, which says the no changes were made to the flag in the update in 1980, only an appendix on how the hammer/sickle were removed reverse side. This file is wrong and unsourced and adds confusion. At least rename it to something else.--Havsjö (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have, with a fair amount of trepidation, renamed the file to File:Flag of the Soviet Union (dark version).svg. I hope this name is neutral enough. --bjh21 (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per this and former discussions. @Bjh21: Of course you're aware of Commons' file renaming policy that states that files in DRs (-> with copyright issues) shouldn't be renamed. Right?. Ruthven (msg) 20:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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