Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dan Trotta at the Gale Anne Hurd Masterclass (6829984489).jpg

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File:Dan Trotta at the Gale Anne Hurd Masterclass (6829984489).jpg

It's a photo of me and I'd rather it not be public Imissdisco (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

• I've cropped headshots of over a thousand people who were in photos made available from the Canadian film centre.
• Imissdisco, if you are the real Dan Trotta, would you please use our OTRS procedure to establish you are the real Dan Trotta? At this point you might be Dan Trotta's frenemy, or even a stalker.
• Please review Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Karyn Edwards at a CFC event in L.A. 2018 (40065287315).jpg Geo Swan (talk) 01:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• I suggested, to Bryan Atkinson, that if his real concern was vanity, that he make a selfie, he was satisfied with, and offer it as an alternate image. Imissdisco, if you are the real life Dan Trotta, why not offer an alternate image? Geo Swan (talk) 01:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't even know how to respond properly - I just hit the "edit" button. Sorry if this isn't the way. Ultimately I just don't like the photo, and I'd just like it gone. I'm not sure why I have to provide an alt of any kind. I'm not asking the group photo be taken down, just my big dumb cropped face. I'm not sure how the OTRS procedure works, would someone be nice enough to walk me through that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imissdisco (talk • contribs) 17:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
    • @Imissdisco: This is the right way; just add four tildes at the end (~~~~) as your signature. The only way to delete the image I can see here is courtesy deletion. And courtesy deletion applies only to unused photos. If User:Geo Swan removes this photo from their gallery, we can go on. Ankry (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Well if Geo Swan would be so kind as to remove it, I'd be grateful. Not trying to rock the boat, I just don't want to be tagged or whatever. Is there a reason there's such resistance? ˜˜˜˜
        1. Imissdisco, we have no way of knowing that you are Dan Trotta.
        2. Imissdisco, let me suggest that part of responding here would have been for you to read the discussions around earlier, similar requests I linked to, above.
        3. Did you follow the links to the two earlier deletion requests? Instructions on how contact the committee of volunteers we trust to confirm the real life identities of third parties, like yourself are spelled out in those earlier discussions.
        4. I couldn't simply remove the image, if I wanted to do that. It measured up to our inclusion criteria, when I uploaded it, so it requires consensus to delete.
        5. Personally? You got invited to a Canadian Film Centre event. That invitation was a sign you were an insider in the Canadian film and television industry - not a random nobody. Someone might create a wikipedia article about you. An image of you would be useful to illustrate it. Whether we cover you in a policy compliant wikipedia article is not up to you. You can request deletion of an article, or an image, and our decision as to whether to comply with your request depends on the strength of your argument.

           About fifteen years ago I came across five or six dozen excellent photos from a remote outport on the coast of Baffin Island. The photographer was a student, who had gone there with their instructor and a dozen or so other students. About a month after I uploaded those images here she had a moral panic, because her collection included about a dozen images of children from that village. Because those images were of children, she claimed they needed special protection. She claimed youth, and inexperience, saying she didn't really understand the legalities behind the license she chose.

           We had a long discussion. We did agree to delete the subset of images that included children, and we kept the remainder.

           So, your argument here, um, no offense, it boils down to vanity, not, as in my example above, the protection of the privacy of children?

        6. Bryan Atkinson implied we had violated his privacy, when he had not agreed to have his picture made public. And, my response was, by agreeing to participate in a CFC event, where their professional photographer was taking photos, he had tacitly agreed they could take pictures of him, and do whatever they wanted with them. The CFC chose to publish those images under a free license. If you or Atkinson have a privacy dispute, isn't it really with the CFC, not us? Geo Swan (talk) 20:14, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
• Something tells me even if I were able to verify my identity you wouldn't take it down. It's a simple request, and truly, there's no reason for you not to do it, other than it gives you some sort of weird sense of satisfaction, or feeling of impotent power. That's fine, keep it up, I don't actually care. And don't say "no offense", because in truth, you do want to offend. You feed off these pathetic arguments. Sad little lives, really. Enjoy, trolls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imissdisco (talk • contribs) 18:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Imissdisco, clarification, whether the image is kept or deleted is not up to me. I uploaded it, that does not mean I control its future.
  • Yes, you emailing the committee of trusted volunteers who confidentially handle correspondence with real world individuals would have enhanced your credibility. In fact it was the essential next step. Requests for the courtesy deletion of properly licensed images don't succeed without a good explanation. If someone's actual reason to request courtesy deletion is vanity, then their best approach would be to openly acknowledge this. Other reasons would include (1) I witnessed a crime, and I am in a witness protection program; (2) I have dangerous stalkers, and I don't want them to know my current appearance; (3) my religion prohibits allowing images of me to circulate.
  • The real world Dan Trotta, from public reporting, seems to be a highly respected screenwriter. There is no indication in the public reporting that he would use childish taunts. I see the childish taunts you used here as confirmation that the reason you declined to take the next step, and identify your real world identity, to our trusted committee, is that you are not actually the real world Dan Trotta.
  • If this image was in use, say in a brand new wikipedia article on Dan Trotta, we would almost certainly decline your request for a courtesy deletion, because it was in use. For about 30 seconds I considered starting a nice fair article on Dan Trotta, but I didn't do so because it might seem like a dickish move on my part. Geo Swan (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
    • From minute 1 you've been rude and dismissive. A simple gesture of kindness would have been so easy to execute. That's fine. I'll contact the CFC tomorrow. And I did read those links you provided, and you're all just as dismissive and condescending to the other innocent people as you were to me. They were likely just insecure and felt like they didn't have control. You could have helped with that, but you chose to act like some petty tyrant. Pretty awful behaviour on your part. And yeah, you should expect this kind of a response. "Respected screenwriters" are still people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imissdisco (talk • contribs) 19:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Imissdisco, someone else has confirmed you really need to confirm, through the confidential correspondence committee, that you really are Dan Trotta.
      • We made a policy decision here, over a decade ago, to take steps to protect the privacy of private persons. As a respected member of the Canadian film and television industry, the steps we would take to protect the privacy of a private person, well, I don't think those protections apply to you. What would you do if the Toronto Sun or the Globe and Mail used an image of you you didn't like?
      • I'm sorry, but I frankly think you are mistaken to regard my comments as an instance of me being rude, or dismissive. I think you are mistaken to characterize my comments to the people who claimed to be Bryan Atkinson or Karyn Edwards were dismissive or condescending. You, on the other hand called me names. In this message you said Foxtrot Yankee to me. In this message you said "Geo Swan is a real feckless douche".
      • The two dozen edits I list here were pure vandalism, and, if I had complained about them, your new ID would probably have ended being blocked: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27]. I have advice over on the wikipedia WP:PICKONE - short version, if you are rude yourself you have seriously undermined the credibility of any complaints you may make that other people were rude to you.
      • I did start the Dan Trotta article. I think it is fair to you. And I did use this image to illustrate it. Geo Swan (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Update

I did start a fair, neutral article on Dan Trotta, on the english wikipedia.

Imissdisco vandalized it [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], calling me a "verified stalker", in their initial prod|prod request.

What they have not seemed ready to do is use OTRS to confirm that it is the real life Dan Trotta using the Imissdisco wiki-ID. There is also no update, from them, confirming that they did reach out to the copyright holders, at the Canadian Film Centre.

A 2017 interview, with Trotta, when he joined the creative team at Murdoch Mysteries, implied he was well-liked at the National Screen Institute, who recommended he enroll at the Canadian Film Centre. That is so inconsistent with the behaviour of Imissdisco that it further suggests to me that Imissdisco may be a frenemy, and is not the real life Dan Trotta, as he or she claims.

Since 90 percent of their edits here, and at en.wiki, were disruptive perhaps it is time to give our administrators a heads-up, and ask if a block is in order. A block would make it more difficult for them to reply here. But, if they did use OTRS to confirm their real life identity, then their OTRS committee worker could post their replies, for them, once they confirmed they were talking to the real life Dan Trotta. Geo Swan (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

-amazing. you clearly started the wiki page just to bully me. hope you feel good about yourself. what a life you must lead. i have no idea how to confirm my identity through otrs, but am happy to do it if someone would be nice enough to show me. as im quite sure that won't happen, ill just say: have at it. im done. you've victimized me and those other two you pointed out, and i can only assume you get some sort of pleasure from it. enjoy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imissdisco (talk • contribs) 21:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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 Deleted, at first I blocked Imissdisco due to intimidation/harassment for a week. At second, as en:Dan Trotta is now deleted and no article about him exists in any project, I'll delete the photo as out of project scope. Taivo (talk) 11:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Restored: as per [34]. Yann (talk) 11:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)