Commons:Deletion requests/File:Christin Melcher Görlitz 2017.jpg

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File:Christin Melcher Görlitz 2017.jpg

Comes from Facebook and there's no metadata at Flickr. Seems COM:LL Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

It's from an official Flickr Account of en:Alliance 90/The Greens. I don't see the problem. --Yoda1893 (talk) 12:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't know: where is the link? --Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

On the actual description page of the file??? [1] --Yoda1893 (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

No the link to the Facebook page. Patrick Rogel (talk) 13:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The party itself published this picture at Flickr with cc-by-sa-2.0. So nobody needs a link to a facebook page of the party where they published it as well. --Yoda1893 (talk) 13:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes we need: since it has been published first on Facebook, this post on Flickr is a republication and at least we need a permission. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

This is the same publisher and this publisher did publish it on Flickr with the permission. --Yoda1893 (talk) 14:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

First in the deletion request is no link, to an image at facebook -->  Keep

Second At their flickr-page is a link to a facebook account, also the official page link (right-top) to their flickr and their facebook account. Habitator terrae 🌍 15:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

 Comment @Habitator terrae: Please read the EXIFs: "FBMD" denotes a Facebook image. In this case however the image has been posted first on Facebook then Picasa. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 15:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok, but I hope, that we could trust the official account of the green party, if the only fact, we know, is that the image was downloaded via facebook. Habitator terrae 🌍 16:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

This information you had to add right at the beginning, Patrick. I just now went back to the beginning of 2017 on the Facebook page (not logged in having no account) and did not find this image there!

For comparison: This image on Flickr, CIUTW2_20170804_Henning_04 | Zu Gast in Connewitz BTW 2017 (btw without CC license), is also in Der Leipziger Stadtteil Connewitz on Facebook, published 2017-08-07. This Flickr image was apparently made the same day: Christin Melcher | Zu Gast in Connewitz BTW 2017 (also not CC), but is not found on Facebook.

Picasa was dead before 2017, https://picasaweb.google.com seems not to be public without login.

— Speravir – 01:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Der Fall ist ganz klar: https://www.flickr.com/photos/37020688@N06/36214266793 CC-BY-SA 2.0 --79.216.35.143 21:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know why 32X made this change on the description page. Just because Joachim Schulze posted the picture on facebook, this doesn't confirm him as the author. Joachim Schulze is a politician of the Greens in Saxony who posted the picture on flickr with CC-BY-SA 2.0. --Yoda1893 (talk) 22:23, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

After that silly COM:LL claim by the deletion requester, 32X wrote to the Saxon Green Party in June and asked for further details. Anne Johannsen, leader of the bureau of the “Landesgeschäftsstelle” of the Saxon Green Party answered, the photo is from Joachim Schulze. The speedy deletion request is full of bullshit claims, which disqualifies its requester as a serious contributor. -- 32X (talk) 08:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@32X: Except your vocabulary I see nothing strange with this DR. Indeed,

• "FBMD01000aab0d0000149f0000c3180100f7250100b6400100435c01003afe0100972202000a39020038590200c92d0400" at EXIF denotes a Facebook image and Facebook images are eligible to a SD per COM:CSD#F4;
• you found out what was obvious from the beginning: that the file has been published first on Facebook then the image from Facebook (not the original high-re one) has been uploaded on Flickr by two different people;
• you inform us now that photographer is Joachim Schulze so may you provide an OTRS agent with the forwarded emails between you and Anne Johannsen?

Kind regards, --Patrick Rogel (talk) 11:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

No, I won't send the mail to the ORTS team because it's a waste of time. The file came from the offical flickr account of the Saxon Green Party. They named the photographer. Yoda1893 informed us, that the photographer is a member of the party. The photo is clearly not taken by a professional photographer. Using common sense, this photo is okay. If we leave the Way of Common Sense, we may come to the …

Path of Bullshit Claims: The deletion requester also requested a speedy deletion because “COM:CSD#F4, License review NOT passed: Came via Facebook; their Terms of Use are incompatible with publishing here.” I only see the German verion of their ToU, but they clearly state: “Die von dir auf Facebook und den anderen von dir genutzten Facebook-Produkten erstellten und geteilten Inhalte gehören dir, und nichts in diesen Nutzungsbedingungen nimmt dir die dir hinsichtlich deiner eigenen Inhalte zustehenden Rechte. Du kannst deine Inhalte nach Belieben mit anderen teilen, wo immer du das möchtest.” It's in no way prohibited by Facebooks Terms of Use to Joachim Schulze to post his photos elsewhere. He gave them to the green party, they posted them on their flickr account, everything is fine. We don't need an internet troll here to play the rules. Wikipedia is not a game, neither is Wikimedia Commons. -- 32X (talk) 14:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Again please tone down your language. BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN Sachsen has not the right to copy an image from Facebook and put it under a CC license because, as we agree boths in English or in German, Facebook ToU are incompatible with CC. Over and out, --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN Sachsen has the right to upload it's own pictures at Facebook as well as on any other website when they are the actual author. By the way it is very annoying to get four messages because of the same file on my talk page, because you don't even check if there's already a deletion discussion before you add another deletion request. --Yoda1893 (talk) 15:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Patrick Rogel: Could you please tell us, why you’ve been blocked permanently from your home wiki after you had nearly 100.000 edits there? Wasn’t it for gambling against the community like you do here again? Maybe you’re not the best person to ask for a friendly tone in anybody’s language.

Members of the green party put that photo on facebook and they’ve published it somewhere else. They actually have the right to do so. -- 32X (talk) 13:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Deleted: per nomination. It was published on FB before being uploaded to Flickr. We need OTRS permission. --Gbawden (talk) 08:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)