Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/07/Category:Stilbenes

Category:Stilbenes

I'm not sure what is the difference between Category:Stilbenes and Category:Stilbenoids. Both categories collect media about compounds with two benzene rings connected with an ethene-1,2-diyl bridge. According to MeSH [1] or ChEBI [2], stilbenes and stilbenoids are synonyms. While en.wiki article states that stilbenoids are polyphenolic compounds and this statement is supported in many sources, it is not however the only definition that can be found in literature and is not supported by chemical or chemistry-related ontologies (see above). In the same time en.wiki has a redirect from stilbenes to stilbenoids without any explanation and cs.wiki articles states that Stilbeny (též stilbenoidy) = stilbenes (also stilbenoids).

I propose to merge Category:Stilbenes into Category:Stilbenoids, the latter would be an equivalent of d:Q526360 and collect media about compounds with two benzene rings connected with an ethene-1,2-diyl bridge (so not necessarily phenolic) with Category:Stilbene as a subcategory. Wostr (talk) 01:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a small distinction between the term "stilbenes" and "stibenoids". "Stilbenoids" is, in some contexts, reserved for natural chemical compounds derived through the same biosynthetic processes (these are typically the phenolic stilbenes as well). "Stilbenes", in this context, is the broader concept that encompasses both stilbenoids and any other derivatives of stilbene, regardless of whether they are natural or synthetic. I agree that there isn't any good reason to make a distinction between these two categories, but I would suggest merging Category:Stilbenoids into Category:Stilbenes to retain the name that has the broader meaning. But in any case, I don't feel too strongly about which way the merge goes. Category:Stilbene should remain as distinct subcategory. Marbletan (talk) 20:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Stilbenoids seem to be hydroxylated derivatives of stilbene. Hence, several (non-hydroxylated) files in Category:Stilbenoids would need to be moved to Category:Stilbenes. --Leyo 08:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't have an objection to simply merging the two categories, but if they are to be kept separate, I would distinguish the two categories by source. Stilbenoids would be natural compounds biosynthesized by the phenylpropanoid pathway (typically they are hydroxylated derivatives of stilbene). Stilbenes would be the parent category for any chemical derivative of stilbene. I agree that several non-natural (non-hydroxylated) files currently in Category:Stilbenoids would need to be moved to Category:Stilbenes. Marbletan (talk) 14:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)